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Old 11-15-2018, 03:11 AM   #21
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Now events are starting to unfold at an alarming rate. We do have a deal struck between EU & British negotiators however 3 British Secretaries are after resigning overnight over the deal, including Dominic Raab, the Secretary for Brexit. This can only mean one thing. The PMs vote is going to fail and we either going to have a General Election or Conservative party leadership race in the UK.

Is it still too late to do a U-turn and keep Britain in the EU??
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Piss up and brewery spring to mind...
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:24 PM   #23
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I'm not a citizen of the U.K but my first serious relationship was a girl from small town there and I've spent a significant amount of time there.

The EU is absolutely a joke. As long as you have countries like Brussels and Greece in a "socialistic" type of alliance, you will have great countries like England who pay the cost of the majority. Though a no deal Brexit is not ideal by any means, in my opinion it will still work out for England in the long run. You're talking about saving 100's of millions of pounds a week by exiting.


Immigration, that is a primary problem. There is NO reason a country should be forced to have open borders. I can't believe there are countries, governments, people who are ok with forcing immigrants into any nation. This does nothing but hurt any economy and increase crime rates.

I really do believe England leaving the EU is the first step in the dissolution of the EU. Other large countries will follow suit after England proves that in the long run it is a profitable decision.

I'm not saying it doesn't come without its own problems, such as health care while on holiday or trade agreements, but I really do believe once the logistics are worked out it will benefit England in the long run.
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Old 01-24-2019, 05:38 AM   #24
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I'm not a citizen of the U.K but my first serious relationship was a girl from small town there and I've spent a significant amount of time there.

The EU is absolutely a joke. As long as you have countries like Brussels and Greece in a "socialistic" type of alliance, you will have great countries like England who pay the cost of the majority. Though a no deal Brexit is not ideal by any means, in my opinion it will still work out for England in the long run. You're talking about saving 100's of millions of pounds a week by exiting.


Immigration, that is a primary problem. There is NO reason a country should be forced to have open borders. I can't believe there are countries, governments, people who are ok with forcing immigrants into any nation. This does nothing but hurt any economy and increase crime rates.

I really do believe England leaving the EU is the first step in the dissolution of the EU. Other large countries will follow suit after England proves that in the long run it is a profitable decision.

I'm not saying it doesn't come without its own problems, such as health care while on holiday or trade agreements, but I really do believe once the logistics are worked out it will benefit England in the long run.

First of all the name of the country is The United Kingdom. England is a state within the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland (The last being a disputed occupation). All union members barring England voted to remain within the EU. Since England has the majority in terms of population and referendums are totted up by total population they 51%-49% voted to leave and so the other states must follow.

Basically I dont care what the UK does, imo personally they are trying to go back to the days of the past with their empire and superpower status and they have always cared only about themselves, history has always shown this. What pisses me off as a citizen of The Republic of Ireland is how so focused on themselves that they are, they refuse to look at how they will affect Northern Ireland. There is no hard border on the island of Ireland, there is also no more war. You cannot have one without the other, as about 50% of the population of NI is republican and want to be apart of my country.

Northern Ireland was formed in 1922 as a Protestant state to protect Protestants, Catholics were 2nd class citizens and could not hold public office or hold a state job or recieve a state pension. There was war for 50 years with terrorist militias from both sides blowing up bombs and killing innocent civilians. The Good Friday Agreement signed in the late 90s secured equality and peace for Northern Ireland under the UK control but with my country serving an advisory role in its running if anything ever happened to their own parliament in Belfast.

I accept that the NI is officially a part of the UK, and that they must protect their own borders. It just upsets me that they are so oblivious to this agreement and as to how fragile the peace there is. If their is a hard Brexit, and their is a border on the island of Ireland, well then I can probably garentee we will return to the bad old days of violence, and terror.

There is a lot more on the line here than holiday visas and money.
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:44 PM   #25
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I'm not a citizen of the U.K but my first serious relationship was a girl from small town there and I've spent a significant amount of time there.

The EU is absolutely a joke. As long as you have countries like Brussels and Greece in a "socialistic" type of alliance, you will have great countries like England who pay the cost of the majority. Though a no deal Brexit is not ideal by any means, in my opinion it will still work out for England in the long run. You're talking about saving 100's of millions of pounds a week by exiting.


Immigration, that is a primary problem. There is NO reason a country should be forced to have open borders. I can't believe there are countries, governments, people who are ok with forcing immigrants into any nation. This does nothing but hurt any economy and increase crime rates.

I really do believe England leaving the EU is the first step in the dissolution of the EU. Other large countries will follow suit after England proves that in the long run it is a profitable decision.

I'm not saying it doesn't come without its own problems, such as health care while on holiday or trade agreements, but I really do believe once the logistics are worked out it will benefit England in the long run.
You have this policy in the states where the wealthier states prop up the poorer ones.
Its no different for the EU and Irelands membership of the EU has helped us grow from a 3rd world state to a first world economy. This however is not the main issue and even the migration of immigrants is also a smokescreen to the biggest problem

The issue here is about global trade. The UK as a member of the EU use EU brokered trade agreements with the world. When they leave they will have to renegotiate all these agreements which will take anywhere between 5 and 10 years. While these are being negotiated WTO rules will apply which means goods between the EU and UK will all now be subject to WTO tarriffs as high as 30%. Currently all EU states have FREE trade within the union and brokered deals with USA, canada etc. The UK if they do leave with no trade agreement will still have to negotiate new agreements with the entire world! Good luck with that one! If they leave but stay in the free trade agreement this wont apply with the EU states but will for the rest of the world! Good luck with that one too!.

I work for a major multinational and part of the EU law on Data is that no EU data is allowed leave the EUs borders. this is going to be a major headach for ireland as most of our data is routed via the UK to the continent. We have had to spend billions on new subsea cables to spain, france and Holland so we are brexit ready. The other Data operators will have had to do this also.

simple fact is the UK people were lied to about what brexit would be and how it could be implemented. The press pushed this as it sold papers and sensationalised the whole thing. Mays government has no clue what it is doing.

Regarding Irelands trade with the UK its actually more like 15% but that 15% is 50 % of our nations Food production. brexit will have a huge effect on the 390000 workers in the irish agri business.

The UK Scientific community will suffer due to 90% of its funding comes from the EU. The UK will no longer have access to CERN, ESA and many other Scientific groups that exist from the fact that they are borne of the participants being EU member states.

Personally, I hope that the EU will stick to its Guns where they have negotiated a Deal and are no longer open for new negotiations forcing a second referendum where the UK citizens now armed with the truth of what brexit is will have a change of heart. They can do a 20 year plan for Brexit part deux but this time plan and negotiate for all that it encompasses so next time they want to invoke article 50 they would be ready for its consequences. The UK will also have to replace its political elite with people who know what they are talking about. As of now I despair for the future of the UK as it is being run by people who seem to have fell into the roles because the adults all left. Its a political lord of the Flies!

Look up James O Brien on Youtube as he seems to be the WTF is happening and is providing a lot of common sense arguments to a population of radio listeners who seem to only understand brexit as per what the tabloids are saying it is, and much of it bullshit.

TL/DR: Brexit is the super massive clusterfuck everyone said it would be
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This isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but there have been off-and-on proposals for Texas to secede from the U.S. and regain independence as the Republic of Texas, which existed from 1836 to 1845. Texans (myself not included; I'm a transplant) tend to have a sort of nostalgia of independence, with a do-it-yourself, often anti-Washington perspective. But the idea of Texas independence is arguably more absurd than Brexit.

Here's a bit of history for you non-Americans. Texas was basically forced to be an independent nation after splitting from Mexico, as the U.S. wouldn't take them in due in part to the issue of slavery. But, by 1845, the Republic was in massive debt, its currency was worthless, and Mexico was still a threat (the Mexican–American War started a year later over the assumed boundary dispute), so Texas approved the annexation offer from the U.S., with a few unique conditions (Texas kept its public lands, gained authority to split itself into new states, and asserted an increased offshore rights distance compared to other states).

Now, a seceding Texas would have many of the same issues as the UK does now (actually more), including new trade agreements and related business issues, establishing foreign relations, replacing a huge corpus of federal legislation and jurisprudence, a loss of U.S. military spending (huge in San Antonio) and highway funding (already an issue here), and much, much more.

Enjoy your remaining time in the EU, Brits. But ask yourselves this. In 10, 20, 30 years down the road, will you regret this decision?
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This isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but there have been off-and-on proposals for Texas to secede from the U.S. and regain independence as the Republic of Texas, which existed from 1836 to 1845. Texans (myself not included; I'm a transplant) tend to have a sort of nostalgia of independence, with a do-it-yourself, often anti-Washington perspective. But the idea of Texas independence is arguably more absurd than Brexit.

Here's a bit of history for you non-Americans. Texas was basically forced to be an independent nation after splitting from Mexico, as the U.S. wouldn't take them in due in part to the issue of slavery. But, by 1845, the Republic was in massive debt, its currency was worthless, and Mexico was still a threat (the Mexican–American War started a year later over the assumed boundary dispute), so Texas approved the annexation offer from the U.S., with a few unique conditions (Texas kept its public lands, gained authority to split itself into new states, and asserted an increased offshore rights distance compared to other states).

Now, a seceding Texas would have many of the same issues as the UK does now (actually more), including new trade agreements and related business issues, establishing foreign relations, replacing a huge corpus of federal legislation and jurisprudence, a loss of U.S. military spending (huge in San Antonio) and highway funding (already an issue here), and much, much more.

Enjoy your remaining time in the EU, Brits. But ask yourselves this. In 10, 20, 30 years down the road, will you regret this decision?
I think the Texas comparison is interesting, because if the States that formed the US in the late 18th Century had known that their descendants would not be allowed to leave the union should they choose, it is highly doubtful they would have joined at all.
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Well, there's always the right to revolution that this country was built on. If our Union really were so broken, it would have been toppled already.
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The Civil War was all about States not wanting to be part of the US alliance anymore. There are numerous events that, had they gone slightly differently, would have resulted in the Union losing or withdrawing from the war. And the Ku Klux Klan's violent reaction to the terms enforced on the Confederate States after the war was only suppressed because President Grant redeployed the army to stop them.

But there have been numerous smaller confrontations between the states and the federal government that only ended because of the use of federal troops to put down local authorities, starting with the Whiskey Rebellion, and many instances of desegregation (with the 101st Airborne vs the Arkansas National Guard in Little Rock being the most prominent example).
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