The Legion  
 

Go Back   The Legion > Public Legion Forums > The Real World

The Real World Discuss real world issues from love to life to politics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-08-2008, 09:35 PM   #1
Imperial
Who this?
 
Imperial's Avatar
 
Nation: The Imperial Empire
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Discord name: Imperial

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: California
Posts: 11,583



Default McCain's Minister

I decided to poke my head into the Obama Pastor thread, I knew what I'd find. On Monday, I was shown videos of both Wright & Hagee. For those who don't know, John Hagee is a televangelist who recently gave his support to John McCain (and McCain accepted). So while we bash on Wright for his anti-American sentiment, here's something for the McCain supporters:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA[/media]

As I noted in my Obama response, religion is often misused. Some people use it to inspire rage & motivate action. Others, like Hagee, use it for money. And religion is still very much a part of our American politics. It is said that you can judge how truly religious a preacher/minister/reverend is by the number of suits that they own. Hagee & Wright aren't very high on that scale.
__________________





Great War IIIThe Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarKarma WarSecond Unjust WarDoomhouse WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorLoyaltyIch Dien Lifetime AwardOutstanding Government Service RibbonDonator AwardForeign Ministry Ribbon of ExcellenceGraphical ExcellenceInternal Affairs General Service Citation
Imperial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 04:17 AM   #2
Melidan
The love child of Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater
 
Melidan's Avatar
 
Nation: Melidan
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,040



Default Re: McCain's Minister

McCain never attended Hagee's church, let alone for twenty years. Nor did he cite Hagee as a "sounding board," "mentor," or "spiritual guide." Nor did he write a book and title it after one of Hagee's sermons. Nor did he give $27,000 to his church. He simply saught an endorsement from a popular minister for political gain.

So..
Great War IIIThe Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarKarma WarSecond Unjust WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorLoyaltyIch Dien Lifetime AwardOutstanding Government Service RibbonSilver Admiralty RibbonDonator AwardForeign Ministry Ribbon of ExcellenceRecruitment Service AwardInternal Affairs Outstanding Service Citation
Melidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 05:40 AM   #3
The Corporal
Agent 47, Silent Assassin
 
The Corporal's Avatar
 
Nation: New Milwaukee
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Alliance:
Molon Labe

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 1,626

Default Re: McCain's Minister

Yeah, it doesn't look great for McCain, but there's a really large difference between McCain and Obama here. Not that I agree with it, but I hope people don't portray McCain as a religious wacko just because of this (and the fact that the media would love to jump on a Republican for anything that would make a good headline).
The Corporal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 01:18 PM   #4
tom the pit leader
Brutal Despot
 
tom the pit leader's Avatar
 
Nation: there be rabbits
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 18,494



Default Re: McCain's Minister

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melidan View Post
McCain never attended Hagee's church, let alone for twenty years. Nor did he cite Hagee as a "sounding board," "mentor," or "spiritual guide." Nor did he write a book and title it after one of Hagee's sermons. Nor did he give $27,000 to his church. He simply saught an endorsement from a popular minister for political gain.

So..
But the rules for Chirstains is 10% income tithed, and so $27000 in 20 years is 1350 a year. And I highly doubt that Obama made only 13500 a year. So if anything, that number is low for a devout follower.

My take on it is that Obama never talks about hating white people in his speeches, and if that changed after an election, we could just impeach him and get him out of office, so there is little risk of a ture racist getting into the presidency.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasc View Post
tom the pit leader Illuminati confirmed

The Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarSecond Unjust WarDoomhouse WarTetris WarODN WarEquilibrium WarOrder on Order WarDoom WarMaroon WarNSO WarUmbrella WarSnake Eyes WarYin-Yang WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorLoyaltyIch Dien Lifetime AwardMelidan's Distinguished Service CrossGeneral Government Service RibbonInspector General's Service RibbonImperator's Award for Outstanding Service RibbonHero of the LegionGold Admiralty RibbonLifetime Admiralty AchievementAdmiralty Wartime Service RibbonDefense Medal of ValorDonator AwardDistinguished Donator AwardEconomic Program Service AwardForeign Ministry Service RibbonInternal Affairs Outstanding Service CitationSpammiest LegionnaireFunniest LegionnaireFunniest Legionnaire
tom the pit leader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 02:43 PM   #5
Melidan
The love child of Ayn Rand and Barry Goldwater
 
Melidan's Avatar
 
Nation: Melidan
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,040



Default Re: McCain's Minister

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom the pit leader View Post
But the rules for Chirstains is 10% income tithed, and so $27000 in 20 years is 1350 a year. And I highly doubt that Obama made only 13500 a year. So if anything, that number is low for a devout follower.

My take on it is that Obama never talks about hating white people in his speeches, and if that changed after an election, we could just impeach him and get him out of office, so there is little risk of a ture racist getting into the presidency.
Like I said in the Obamas pastor thread, I truly dont believe Obama is a racist.. just that he surrounds himself with people who have radical, anti-American viewpoints.
Great War IIIThe Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarKarma WarSecond Unjust WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorLoyaltyIch Dien Lifetime AwardOutstanding Government Service RibbonSilver Admiralty RibbonDonator AwardForeign Ministry Ribbon of ExcellenceRecruitment Service AwardInternal Affairs Outstanding Service Citation
Melidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 03:30 PM   #6
Lincongrad
I ask only for the strength to defend my pixels.
 
Lincongrad's Avatar
 
Nation: Lincongrad
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,002


Default Re: McCain's Minister

This doesn't make me believe that McCain is a religious fanatic or anything. it just makes me believe that he has extremely flawed judgement and doesn't know how to not offend people. Which is, for the president of the united states, a very big deal.
__________________
Great War IIIThe Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarKarma WarSecond Unjust WarTetris WarEquilibrium WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorIch Dien Gold AwardIch Dien Lifetime AwardOutstanding Government Service RibbonConsulate's Legionnaire of the Term RibbonGold Admiralty RibbonLifetime Admiralty AchievementAdmiralty Wartime Service RibbonEconomics General Service AwardForeign Ministry Service RibbonForeign Ministry Ribbon of ExcellenceInternal Affairs General Service Citation
Lincongrad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 03:51 PM   #7
The Corporal
Agent 47, Silent Assassin
 
The Corporal's Avatar
 
Nation: New Milwaukee
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Alliance:
Molon Labe

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 1,626

Default Re: McCain's Minister

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lincongrad View Post
This doesn't make me believe that McCain is a religious fanatic or anything. it just makes me believe that he has extremely flawed judgement and doesn't know how to not offend people. Which is, for the president of the united states, a very big deal.
Not knowing how to not offend people is very different from choosing to not care about offending people. I'm not saying McCain is, mind you, but both are important to the office of the President.
The Corporal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 04:05 PM   #8
Lincongrad
I ask only for the strength to defend my pixels.
 
Lincongrad's Avatar
 
Nation: Lincongrad
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,002


Default Re: McCain's Minister

Uh, yeah, I agree. What was your point? Either way McCain's doing something stupid.
__________________
Great War IIIThe Dove War / Valhalla WarUnjust WarCoalition WarKarma WarSecond Unjust WarTetris WarEquilibrium WarPurple HeartNuclear SurvivorIch Dien Gold AwardIch Dien Lifetime AwardOutstanding Government Service RibbonConsulate's Legionnaire of the Term RibbonGold Admiralty RibbonLifetime Admiralty AchievementAdmiralty Wartime Service RibbonEconomics General Service AwardForeign Ministry Service RibbonForeign Ministry Ribbon of ExcellenceInternal Affairs General Service Citation
Lincongrad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 04:11 PM   #9
Villalba
Ill nail those traitors to the senate floor
 
Villalba's Avatar
 
Nation: Nueva Esparta
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,797

Default Re: McCain's Minister

Quote:
As I noted in my Obama response, religion is often misused. Some people use it to inspire rage & motivate action. Others, like Hagee, use it for money. And religion is still very much a part of our American politics. It is said that you can judge how truly religious a preacher/minister/reverend is by the number of suits that they own. Hagee & Wright aren't very high on that scale
^ that.
Coalition WarIch Dien Silver Award
Villalba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2008, 08:13 PM   #10
The Corporal
Agent 47, Silent Assassin
 
The Corporal's Avatar
 
Nation: New Milwaukee
Current Wars | Foreign Aid

Alliance:
Molon Labe

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 1,626

Default Re: McCain's Minister

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lincongrad View Post
Uh, yeah, I agree. What was your point? Either way McCain's doing something stupid.
My point: not knowing not to offend people when you're the president is bad, m'kay.

Also my point: not caring if you offend people can be useful whenever you make a decision, because no matter what side of an issue you take, someone is going to be offended.

The two points above, combined: McCain is a fool if he doesn't know to not offend people, but if he can make a decision without having his spiritual adviser making it for him, it's not so bad.

Also also my point, but much more subtle: political correctness can blow me.
The Corporal is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Legion > Public Legion Forums > The Real World

Tags
mccain, minister

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© The Legion | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:19 AM.
no new posts