So I watched WWE Raw...

[Arcadian Empire]

Originally Posted by SickLaxBro

Meh @ WWE/Wrestling. UFC is better, and this is why: (Start at 1:40)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLy_RQ2x8Rg

I watch WWE more for the entertainment than the fighting itself. It's a misconception that some people make that UFC > WWE, but that can only be made if we're basing it on the 'fighting'.

Truly, what I do is I record Raw and Smackdown - skip matches mostly to find out who wins and just watch the talking bits.

Also, the script-ness of wrestling can make for better matches. Like Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker last year and the year before that... was just awesome - because these matches "told a story", and I think when it gets real like with UFC - you fail to tell a story and it's just fighting.

Some WWE matches are better in my opinion, even though they're scripted, is because they are part of a larger entertainment scheme that uses matches to tell a story.

Like I remember when Ric Flair got retired, and Ric got up and put his fists up to fight, Shawn said "I love you" before he gave him Sweet Chin Music. That's story telling.

When Shawn Michaels did the Undertaker's taunt before Undertaker retired him and gave a jumping piledriver... that's story telling.


So while I'm watching that video - yes, it seems like a good fight (and a nice punch) - but there's no story telling element that gets me emotionally involved somewhat. I view that like some schoolyard fight, unfortunately.

[Megamind]

Originally Posted by Arcadian Empire

Like I remember when Ric Flair got retired, and Ric got up and put his fists up to fight, Shawn said "I love you" before he gave him Sweet Chin Music. That's story telling.

Great moment. "I love you"...BAM!

[SickLaxBro]

See Arc, I was speaking from a purely fighting viewpoint. There are/were some great stories in the UFC, but no where near as many as WWE probably (since WWE is scripted, UFC is not). The thing about the UFC is that those fights/stories are REAL, and not determined ahead of time, which is why is appeals to me.

I remember watching WWE once a loooong time ago (or so it seems. 7 years I think). There was a fight and someone pulled out a sledgehammer and 'smashed' the other guys hand. I put 'smashed', because you can obviously see he missed (though very close) in the instant replay, but the other idiot is still writhing in 'pain'. That's a big part of what turned me off from the WWE.

The predetermined factor I can somewhat tolerate. As long as there's a good fight, it doesn't really matter, right? But when it's rigged and the acting is just bad, I can't watch it anymore.

EDIT: Again, I am speaking from a purely fighting viewpoint. I really don't care much about the in-between stuff.

[Arcadian Empire]

Though I admit sometimes it is comical when they smash the person's head into the turnbuckle - but they don't actually contact the turnbuckle and then walk around pretending they got their head hit

But too much and too obvious it takes away from the spectacle of it all, I agree.

[Watcher]

What Arc said.

I watch WWE for stupid fun entertainment. I watch UFC/MMA/boxing for fighting and treat those as actual sports (at least when boxing isn't rigged).

[justavictim82]

Originally Posted by SickLaxBro

See Arc, I was speaking from a purely fighting viewpoint. There are/were some great stories in the UFC, but no where near as many as WWE probably (since WWE is scripted, UFC is not). The thing about the UFC is that those fights/stories are REAL, and not determined ahead of time, which is why is appeals to me.

I remember watching WWE once a loooong time ago (or so it seems. 7 years I think). There was a fight and someone pulled out a sledgehammer and 'smashed' the other guys hand. I put 'smashed', because you can obviously see he missed (though very close) in the instant replay, but the other idiot is still writhing in 'pain'. That's a big part of what turned me off from the WWE.

The predetermined factor I can somewhat tolerate. As long as there's a good fight, it doesn't really matter, right? But when it's rigged and the acting is just bad, I can't watch it anymore.

EDIT: Again, I am speaking from a purely fighting viewpoint. I really don't care much about the in-between stuff.

So the one dude didnt want to 'hit' the other guy with a sledgehamer? cool story. You guys have no idea what its like to be in a ring... its not comfortable let me tell you. Some of these guys use spots where they are upwards of 20 feet in the air and land on what is essentially concrete. There is no give in those wrestling rings. They are 4x4's underneath maybe a 1/4 inch of padding which is underneath abrasive canvas. I have taken some bumps in a ring (just to see how they felt... very painful even with a 3 foot drop). The robes are in essense 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick chain link lines that are covered up with plastic so that the workers dont cut themselves flying off it. I have a friend who is actually in the business and he flat out told me ' the first time i hit the ropes at full speed, i had a bruise on my back for 3 weeks. Not to discredit MMA guys as they work anything from 3-12 times a year putting their body on the line but wrestlers (especially WWE guys) work 300+ days a year on that. I understand that is there choice but it isnt as pretty and easy as you think it is.

Originally Posted by Watcher

What Arc said.

I watch WWE for stupid fun entertainment. I watch UFC/MMA/boxing for fighting and treat those as actual sports (at least when boxing isn't rigged).

Agreed but you should view the above paragraph when it comes down to pain.

[justavictim82]

CM Punk is a motherfucking god on the mic

[Watcher]

Going to watch it in a bit but it sounds like he killed it yet again.

Just a shame he was not utilized correctly for so long. I've always liked em.

[Watcher]

Just watched the opening. Damn he is good on the mic. The crowed was on fire.

They need to keep this feud going. I thought Cena would mess it up but he actually worked well with CM Punk.

The jab at calling the company World Wrestling Entertainment instead of WWE was a nice touch. Corporate wide they are not suppose to refer to it as World Wrestling Entertainment anymore. CM Punk did it a few times. Awesome touch.

It is the small stuff like that that makes him so awesome. Same with firing off the alarm on the megaphone. Epic

[justavictim82]

if you think the opening promo is epic.... wait until the end of the show promo w) vince... that is 5x better