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[IronsightSniper]

that's fine. basically if you qualify for means-tested income security programs you're obligated at the least to look for work on a consistent basis. that's the direct thing. the indirect thing is that the government subsidizes higher education for the middle class and lower. get the smarts, get the job, etc.

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[Manoka]

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

that's fine. basically if you qualify for means-tested income security programs you're obligated at the least to look for work on a consistent basis. that's the direct thing. the indirect thing is that the government subsidizes higher education for the middle class and lower. get the smarts, get the job, etc.

The problem is what if there isn't a job available?

Education doesn't promise a job anymore and even if it did if businesses simply don't want to hire people, they won't.


They may be content and not want growth or expansion or to invest more money into more resources for new workers who may or may not be good.

More or less, a job is designed as a way to allow a person to make themselves money.


You give them a boat and a net, or a shoe making machine, and now they can make money; granted, for the price of said thing, they return some money, and in turn, make a profit for said entity.

So, if the government just idk, starting handing out shoe machines, in an organized place that was well protected, and just started to have people show up and work there and whatnot... they could in theory, make themselves money, while these people making money give off a little bit of what they made to their suppliers in order to keep the system running. Or whatever it is people wanted to buy or needed etc.

[IronsightSniper]

Originally Posted by Manoka

The problem is what if there isn't a job available?

Education doesn't promise a job anymore and even if it did if businesses simply don't want to hire people, they won't.


They may be content and not want growth or expansion or to invest more money into more resources for new workers who may or may not be good.

More or less, a job is designed as a way to allow a person to make themselves money.


You give them a boat and a net, or a shoe making machine, and now they can make money; granted, for the price of said thing, they return some money, and in turn, make a profit for said entity.

So, if the government just idk, starting handing out shoe machines, in an organized place that was well protected, and just started to have people show up and work there and whatnot... they could in theory, make themselves money, while these people making money give off a little bit of what they made to their suppliers in order to keep the system running. Or whatever it is people wanted to buy or needed etc.

3.6 million jobs open, more job hires than fires in August of 2012[1].

The fastest growing job markets in the next 10 years consist mostly of higher-education required jobs[2]

besides, handing out "show machines" is socialism. literally.

[Manoka]

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

3.6 million jobs open, more job hires than fires in August of 2012[1].

The fastest growing job markets in the next 10 years consist mostly of higher-education required jobs[2]

besides, handing out "show machines" is socialism. literally.

Socialism is where you have a democratically run business where everyone owns a share and has an equal say in the development of the business.

Corporations are closer to that with share holding than government payed for stuff.


Not to mention that 10% unemployment is like 16+ million people, and lots of people are still working part time and whatnot when they want to be working full time.

What do we do with them, and even if we do have education jobs, who will make things?


We still need producers.

It's silly to think that's an end all be all solution to the economy.

[IronsightSniper]

Originally Posted by Manoka

Socialism is where you have a democratically run business where everyone owns a share and has an equal say in the development of the business.

Corporations are closer to that with share holding than government payed for stuff.


Not to mention that 10% unemployment is like 16+ million people, and lots of people are still working part time and whatnot when they want to be working full time.

What do we do with them, and even if we do have education jobs, who will make things?


We still need producers.

It's silly to think that's an end all be all solution to the economy.

never heard of china?

and no, a corporation and a state works mostly the same way when it comes to means of production, it simply controls monetary capital. giving sewing machines is a step up from that towards socialism.

[Manoka]

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

never heard of china?

and no, a corporation and a state works mostly the same way when it comes to means of production, it simply controls monetary capital. giving sewing machines is a step up from that towards socialism.

But that's not what socialism is.

Socialism is specifically a democratically run business, which has the potential to erupt in a capitalistic system, as well.

[IronsightSniper]

you can pretend to go "no true scotsman", but I'm talking ranges and sliders here

[Manoka]

I do love slides.

[IronsightSniper]

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