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Imperial
06-06-2008, 05:03 PM
A very optimistic advertisement from John McCain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3BNgdfEkI

Villalba
06-06-2008, 08:52 PM
He will be around 80 years old...

He will have to hope that the Aztecs were wrong on their calendar.

Imperial
06-06-2008, 09:29 PM
He will be around 80 years old...

He will have to hope that the Aztecs were wrong on their calendar.

It was actually the Mayans, and yes they are wrong because the Mayan calendar ends after the year 3000.

Saloon Simon
06-06-2008, 09:31 PM
Well, if he does all that, McCain would have done a very good job

leninrocks244
06-07-2008, 08:22 AM
A very optimistic advertisement from John McCain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3BNgdfEkI

lol propoganda

Klaus von Ausburg
06-08-2008, 05:25 PM
It was actually the Mayans, and yes they are wrong because the Mayan calendar ends after the year 3000.
The Mayan calendar also assumes that events and societies are cycled in and out.

Also, lol at video... that is very hopeful, if not impossible.

bigdaddychacha
06-11-2008, 06:00 AM
"The Year: 2013.
The Middle East: Stabilized."

That first line was the moment I went, "Yeah, f-ing right!"
I don't think any American President can single-handedly do that, and I know for a fact that no Republican can.

Seriously, if we (Americans) wanna elect another Republican to be president, we might as well title the propaganda videos for his campain "1984", not "2013!"~~

Hubb
06-11-2008, 08:22 AM
Seriously, if we (Americans) wanna elect another Republican to be president, we might as well title the propaganda videos for his campain "1984", not "2013!"~~

Republicans don't have the market cornered on infringement of civil liberties. You may want to take a look at the Democrats' track record before making broad statements about "Big Brother" tactics.

Zagato
06-11-2008, 02:10 PM
"The Year: 2013.
The Middle East: Stabilized."

That first line was the moment I went, "Yeah, f-ing right!"
I don't think any American President can single-handedly do that, and I know for a fact that no Republican can.

It's true. It's going to be almost impossible to sort out the issues with Israel and Palestine.

The Corporal
06-11-2008, 03:26 PM
"The Year: 2013.
The Middle East: Stabilized."

That first line was the moment I went, "Yeah, f-ing right!"
I don't think any American President can single-handedly do that, and I know for a fact that no Republican can.

Seriously, if we (Americans) wanna elect another Republican to be president, we might as well title the propaganda videos for his campain "1984", not "2013!"~~

Obama of course can fix it because he is real strong on foreign policy...right.

Nobody outside of Israelis and Palestinians can really solve their problems, anyone who claims they can is full of themselves. Of course, Stalin could probably solve the problem, but then there wouldn't be very many Israelis or Palestinians left to enjoy the peace.

bigdaddychacha
06-11-2008, 11:14 PM
Republicans don't have the market cornered on infringement of civil liberties. You may want to take a look at the Democrats' track record before making broad statements about "Big Brother" tactics.

If you can provide me evidence of the Clinton administration ever abusing civil liberties in a way even in the same ballpark as The Patriot Acts, using government spies to infiltrate anti-war groups, attacking the family members of government officials who legitimately disagree with your policies, and treating all foreigners as non-humans unworthy of basic human rights that America is supposed to be a champion of, I'll grant you this point. I just don't believe that it is out there. Republicans claim to be proponants of "small government" while Democrats are supposed to be the social engineers who tax and spend on socialist programs, but in reality the Republicans (or at very least the Neocons, who most Republicans have been supporting for the past 7 years) want the government to control your sex life, your decisions about what chemicals to put into your body, your freedom of speech, your freedom from being bombarded with protestant Christian imagery in the public realm including public schools, your ability to talk on the phone without having the phone companies working double time as government eavesdroppers, etc, etc, etc...Meanwhile, the Democrats mostly just want to make sure that you have health care. I don't think there is any comparison between the two parties as far as who is closer to being the real "Big Brother."

What I will grant you on the topic of Democratic Big Brother practices is that I am extremely disappointed in every Democrat who voted "yes" on things like the Patriot Act and enabled to Republicans to gain the sweeping powers that they now wield.

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The Corporal and Russovsky, you've both hit the nail right on the head: If America can work out an acceptable solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that is acceptable to the Arab world, American credibility in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan will surge overnight. Unfortunately, nobody seems to know or even to be seriously curious or interested in learning how to go about doing that.

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Also, The Corporal, just because Obama doesn't have a lot of foreign policy experience in the Senate so far doesn't mean that he wouldn't be better at it than McCain; Obama has done something that neither McCain (nor Clinton) ever have: he has lived overseas voluntarily for an extended period of time! (We could count McCain's five years in a POW camp in Hanoi as living overseas, but I seriously question how that experience will help him in dealing with foreign countries in a positive and open manner!) I think also the fact that Obama would represent a sharp departure from Bush's ways would be a plus for his foreign policy. I've read that European leaders are looking forward to dealing with him and can't wait until Bush is out of office to "start over" on US-Europe relations. Even if he isn't experienced, other countries want to work with him. That's half the battle of foreign relations, right there!

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I apologize now for a wall of text. I love talking politics with you guys!

Hubb
06-12-2008, 03:15 AM
If you can provide me evidence of the Clinton administration ever abusing civil liberties in a way even in the same ballpark as The Patriot Acts, using government spies to infiltrate anti-war groups, attacking the family members of government officials who legitimately disagree with your policies, and treating all foreigners as non-humans unworthy of basic human rights that America is supposed to be a champion of, I'll grant you this point. I just don't believe that it is out there. Republicans claim to be proponants of "small government" while Democrats are supposed to be the social engineers who tax and spend on socialist programs, but in reality the Republicans (or at very least the Neocons, who most Republicans have been supporting for the past 7 years) want the government to control your sex life, your decisions about what chemicals to put into your body, your freedom of speech, your freedom from being bombarded with protestant Christian imagery in the public realm including public schools, your ability to talk on the phone without having the phone companies working double time as government eavesdroppers, etc, etc, etc...Meanwhile, the Democrats mostly just want to make sure that you have health care. I don't think there is any comparison between the two parties as far as who is closer to being the real "Big Brother."

What I will grant you on the topic of Democratic Big Brother practices is that I am extremely disappointed in every Democrat who voted "yes" on things like the Patriot Act and enabled to Republicans to gain the sweeping powers that they now wield.

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The Corporal and Russovsky, you've both hit the nail right on the head: If America can work out an acceptable solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that is acceptable to the Arab world, American credibility in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan will surge overnight. Unfortunately, nobody seems to know or even to be seriously curious or interested in learning how to go about doing that.

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Also, The Corporal, just because Obama doesn't have a lot of foreign policy experience in the Senate so far doesn't mean that he wouldn't be better at it than McCain; Obama has done something that neither McCain (nor Clinton) ever have: he has lived overseas voluntarily for an extended period of time! (We could count McCain's five years in a POW camp in Hanoi as living overseas, but I seriously question how that experience will help him in dealing with foreign countries in a positive and open manner!) I think also the fact that Obama would represent a sharp departure from Bush's ways would be a plus for his foreign policy. I've read that European leaders are looking forward to dealing with him and can't wait until Bush is out of office to "start over" on US-Europe relations. Even if he isn't experienced, other countries want to work with him. That's half the battle of foreign relations, right there!

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I apologize now for a wall of text. I love talking politics with you guys!

Before I respond, please provide me with your proof that the government used spies to infiltrate anti-war groups so I can respond appropriately. As far as attacking family members is concerned, please, for the love of Joe (pun intended), don't use Valerie Plame as your source, or I will be forced to thrash you. :awesome: Just kidding!

It may be later today until I'm able to respond fully to your statement. Just give me some time, and I will. Ok? :D

bigdaddychacha
06-12-2008, 04:54 AM
Before I respond, please provide me with your proof that the government used spies to infiltrate anti-war groups so I can respond appropriately. As far as attacking family members is concerned, please, for the love of Joe (pun intended), don't use Valerie Plame as your source, or I will be forced to thrash you. :awesome: Just kidding!

It may be later today until I'm able to respond fully to your statement. Just give me some time, and I will. Ok? :D

You haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 by any chance, have you? I know a lot of people took issue with the "tone," but I haven't heard any substantial factual refutations. Anyways, in it, they interview members of a peaceful anti-war group who invited a young new member into their group but discovered that he was in fact not anti-war and was a government plant only after he was killed in a freak motorcycle accident and revealed in the newspapers not to be what he had said he was. I would bet my life that this is not the only example of this happening in post-9/11 America, although it may be one of the few that was "found out." This practice shouldn't be surprising because similar things took place commonly during the Vietnam era in protest groups and civil rights organizations.

With regards to "Plamegate," you don't have to take Valerie Plame's word for it: You can hear the same thing from the verdict of the trial "United States vs. Libby" and now Scott McClellan's book. Are you saying that you don't think her career was ruined because her spouse didn't follow follow the Republican talking points on Iraq's nonexistant nuclear program? If there is nothing factually wrong with the Valerie Plame example, then why should it not be admissable in a discussion of contemporary Big Brother style tactics?

Those are my preliminary responses to your early questions, but I look forward to reading "the whole enchilada" later! :D

-Civilly,
Big Daddy Cha-Cha.

Zagato
06-12-2008, 05:14 PM
You haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 by any chance, have you? I know a lot of people took issue with the "tone," but I haven't heard any substantial factual refutations. Anyways, in it, they interview members of a peaceful anti-war group who invited a young new member into their group but discovered that he was in fact not anti-war and was a government plant only after he was killed in a freak motorcycle accident and revealed in the newspapers not to be what he had said he was.

As slightly probable as that sounds, I wouldn't completely trust a Moore film as evidence. I'll have to read it in the newspaper or something before I'll believe it.

IronsightSniper
06-12-2008, 11:11 PM
Dude...he has like 1000 pages in medical records....he probably has cancer, aids, and 3 un-named diseases.

bigdaddychacha
06-13-2008, 12:08 AM
As slightly probable as that sounds, I wouldn't completely trust a Moore film as evidence. I'll have to read it in the newspaper or something before I'll believe it.

There was footage of an image of the guy in a newspaper in the Moore film, if I remember correctly. I don't know, I haven't seen it since probably 2004, but if you don't believe the evidence I present, then the impetus is on you to disprove it, not to knee-jerk disregard it.

You can't hold a debate in this format:
A: I believe this.
B: Well, I don't; I believe that.
A: Here is evidence for why I believe this.
B: I've never seen that evidence, but I instinctively don't trust it. Bring me more evidence.
Repeat ad nauseum.

btw, that section of Fahrenheit 9/11 was a lengthy enough segment that if it were untrue, somebody would have debunked it by now and made a big, legitimate stink about it. That hasn't happened, so I'm safely assuming that it is true.

The Corporal
06-13-2008, 12:45 PM
Every word out of Michael Moore's mouth is fascist liberal crap and everyone who has taken the time to learn what he is about knows it. There may be a kernel of truth buried (somewhere) in one, some, or all of his "documentaries" but the blatantly Communist, anti-freedom spin put on all of his "reporting" invalidates his arguments. Believing an avowed hater of America when he says the government is responsible for a horrific terrorist attack is like believing a paranoid schizophrenic ufologist who claims he shook hands with Elvis on the mothership.

bigdaddychacha
06-14-2008, 04:10 AM
Every word out of Michael Moore's mouth is fascist liberal crap and everyone who has taken the time to learn what he is about knows it. There may be a kernel of truth buried (somewhere) in one, some, or all of his "documentaries" but the blatantly Communist, anti-freedom spin put on all of his "reporting" invalidates his arguments. Believing an avowed hater of America when he says the government is responsible for a horrific terrorist attack is like believing a paranoid schizophrenic ufologist who claims he shook hands with Elvis on the mothership.

If you can find me one quote from Michael Moore that is "anti-freedom," I'll give you some credit on that point. But nowhere in any of his documentaries does Michael Moore say that the government caused 9-11; that the Bush administration (Bush and Rice) didn't pay enough attention to the memo about "Bin Laden Determined to Strike on US Soil" is acknowledged by everyone now. That support of the mujahideen (sp) against Soviet Russia in the 1980s before abandoning them to poverty and infighting under Republican watch might have made the Afghanis a tad bit angry towards America is now acknowledged by everyone. But that Bush caused 9-11? I don't think anyone is saying that! Please be more specific.

Also, Communism and Fascism are ideologically opposed and in America today, Liberals are not the fascists; in fact, ever since the hippy movement, the liberal wing of American politics has been vocally anti-fascist. The Neocons are the ones now who have tried to centralize authority around the Bush administration and have worked tirelessly for the glorification of martial valor above all else, both hallmarks of fascism.

Also, Michael Moore is not a communist. Just because he supports everyone in America having health care (a genuinely noble goal, that real communists happen to agree with in their own respective countries) does not mean that he wants all ideological opponents sent to a Syberian gulag as political prisoners, all counterrevolutionaries publicly executed, and quotas on grain production in the American midwest instated. Don't just label everything free-market capitalism=good, everything communist=bad and don't deliberately misinterpret when liberals say that poor/middle-class people shouldn't go bankrupt due to unavoidable medical bills that we are really saying is that we want to reinstate the gulag!

aarow
06-19-2008, 10:04 PM
No one will ever stabalize the middle east. The terrorist roots and such are so deep there...tiz impossible.

Nice Advertisement though

IronsightSniper
06-19-2008, 10:06 PM
No one will ever stabalize the middle east. The terrorist roots and such are so deep there...tiz impossible.

Well, you can always stabilize anything and everything with NUKES.

aarow
06-19-2008, 10:07 PM
Yeah I was goona say something like "unless we completely take it over" lol yeah nukes would do it

IronsightSniper
06-19-2008, 10:20 PM
Anyways, will McCain even be alive by then o_o

aarow
06-20-2008, 07:04 AM
Lol, this is what me and my friends came up with (when hilldawg was still in the race)

If said person becomes president, the outcome will be:
Obama will be assassinated because some people will think he's a muslim/terrorist
Hillary would be assassinated because shes a woman
McCain will have a heart attack in his reception speech

Therefore Mike Huckabee becomes president! lol

Aussie Avenger
06-21-2008, 03:28 AM
and forces everyone to become a Mormon and legalized polegamy

The Corporal
06-21-2008, 07:48 AM
Wrong religion, pal. Huckabee believes that the Earth is only 5000 years old when there is a mountain of solid evidence to the contrary. He would ensure that funding for science programs in schools is eliminated so we can return to a Dark Ages-level of scientific understanding.

(that last part was a joke, by the way)

leninrocks244
06-21-2008, 03:38 PM
and forces everyone to become a Mormon and legalized polegamy

That's Rommney, or however the hell you spell that psycho's name. Mormonism has something in common with Scientology. It's all a scam. Joseph Smith was a known con-artist back in his time, and I've read how he read the "new-new" testament as I like to call it out of a top-hat with a seeing stone. This is all Harry Potter bullshit. Not only that, but when the publisher asked Smith to re-translate it because he lost the original copy, Smith told him that "God was very angry with him and will not allow the seeing stones to work anymore". For Christ sake, they think that Native Americans came from Jerusalem (when it didn't even exist yet) and that their red skin is a punishment from God.

leninrocks244
06-21-2008, 03:39 PM
And just like the Scientologists, Morons believe that it's ok to kill people who make fun of/don't believe in it.

Aussie Avenger
06-21-2008, 06:24 PM
What Operation Mormon Fair Game?

The Corporal
06-21-2008, 11:14 PM
The Mormons I've met are very nice, if sometimes awkward people. However, one of my favorite episodes of South Park (right behind the hippie-killing episode) is the one where they totally rip on Jed Smith and the Book of Mormon. They pretty much ruined Smith's shit on cable tv...

leninrocks244
06-22-2008, 12:56 PM
The Mormons I've met are very nice, if sometimes awkward people. However, one of my favorite episodes of South Park (right behind the hippie-killing episode) is the one where they totally rip on Jed Smith and the Book of Mormon. They pretty much ruined Smith's shit on cable tv...

Joseph Smith's whole "religion" was ruined way before television was invented.

leninrocks244
06-22-2008, 12:57 PM
What Operation Mormon Fair Game?

I explained it above, but it's where it's ok to kill people who either make fun of Mormanism.

ajc111213
06-22-2008, 07:17 PM
It doesn't matter. we're all gonna die by 2012.

bigdaddychacha
06-28-2008, 09:10 AM
It doesn't matter. we're all gonna die by 2012.

Huh?

The Corporal
06-28-2008, 09:32 AM
Huh?

Many sources point to December 12, 2012 as being the end of the world. It's the date the Mayan calendar ends...just make sure to have a lot of canned goods and extra batteries at home. :D

aarow
06-28-2008, 08:31 PM
Yeah just because an ancient civilization predicted that everyone is scared? Dude they probably just couldnt or didnt feel like counting any higher...besides other ancient civilizations calenders do keep going...

The Corporal
06-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Yeah. I think it'll be fun to watch people freak out about. That doesn't mean I won't stock up on canned bacon (http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-364/Yoder%E2%80%99s-Celebrity-Canned-Bacon/Detail), water, mil-surplus NBC gear, ammo, AA batteries, and back issues of Playboy though. ;)

bigdaddychacha
06-29-2008, 05:50 AM
Looks like I'll be buying one symbolic can of Spam just like I did for all that Y2K crap! lol

leninrocks244
07-05-2008, 07:27 PM
Yeah. I think it'll be fun to watch people freak out about. That doesn't mean I won't stock up on canned bacon (http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-364/Yoder%E2%80%99s-Celebrity-Canned-Bacon/Detail), water, mil-surplus NBC gear, ammo, AA batteries, and back issues of Playboy though. ;)

Fuck the Playboys dude, bring some strippers in the bunker.

James Davis
07-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Uh..yeah. Have fun with that.

leninrocks244
07-05-2008, 07:45 PM
Uh..yeah. Have fun with that.

What would you rather have? Pages with naked women on it or the real thing?

James Davis
07-05-2008, 07:59 PM
Lol. I was just expressing my extreme skepticism of all of this. Sorry if I was unclear.

To answer your question, if the world was ending, sexual gratification would not be the first thing on my mind. :P

leninrocks244
07-05-2008, 08:08 PM
Lol. I was just expressing my extreme skepticism of all of this. Sorry if I was unclear.

To answer your question, if the world was ending, sexual gratification would not be the first thing on my mind. :P

Lol you're crazy dude. If the world was ending, I would fuck every hot girl that I could find. The world is ending anyways, so fuck it.

Assarax
07-05-2008, 09:25 PM
Not only that, you can repopulate the Earth!

James Davis
07-05-2008, 09:26 PM
Wait...are we talking about the destruction of the earth, or the destruction of modern civilization?

Assarax
07-05-2008, 10:14 PM
Technically, the Mayans believed that the WORLD would end, not just civilization, so really, there would be no strippers to repopulate with... and no Earth to repopulate.

leninrocks244
07-06-2008, 09:18 AM
Technically, the Mayans believed that the WORLD would end, not just civilization, so really, there would be no strippers to repopulate with... and no Earth to repopulate.

I'd still rape all of the strippers. It's the end of the world, I'm not going to get punished so fuck it (no pun intended).