Deport Children that have entered the US illegally?

[Firkinvald]

The Trump administration is advising beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to "prepare for and arrange their departure from the United States,"ABC News reported Tuesday.

These are people were brought to the US illegally as children and grew up in the US. They are now being advised to prepare to leave.

Should these people by deported?

[tom the pit leader]

Yes.

[Pyroponce]

Yes, with the proviso that forced deportation should be deferred for a reasonable number of months to force the Congress to deal with this broken situation so that childhood arrivals can have a permanent fix and that this situation does not happen again. We are a nation of laws and justice, after all.

[tom the pit leader]

Originally Posted by Pyroponce

Yes, with the proviso that forced deportation should be deferred for a reasonable number of months to force the Congress to deal with this broken situation so that childhood arrivals can have a permanent fix and that this situation does not happen again. We are a nation of laws and justice, after all.

I agree, there should be a reasonable number of months for congress to act.



The Immigration Control and Reform Act was passed in 1986, which was 372 months ago. I think 372 is a pretty reasonable number.

[mojo882]

pretty insane allowing people to live there for all that time then kicking them out :/ especially if they were children when they arrived

[Immerael]

The law is the law, that said some form of immigration reform should probably happen. I sympathize greatly with these people who came risking everything for a better life, I do. However at the same time while they might not know it, their parents knew when they crossed the border illegally that this was a possible outcome of their actions.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert but a pretty good rule of thumb might be, has this individual committed any crimes other then crossing the border illegally in their time here? Have they assimilated into their communities reasonably well? Are they supporting themselves or their families if an adult, or invovled in higher education to better help themselves?

If the answers are No, Yes, Yes then I say give them a citizenship test, if they can pass it boom taxpaying citizen of the US. If they are a criminal especially deport them and don't think twice.

I think an important part of the test should be a desire to be an American, and for the most part agree with Teddy Rooselvelt on his ideas on the subject.

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Note: I'm not saying they should give up their native languages etc, but if they are to be in America they should learn English. Additionally most Hispanic immigrants I've met are actually already doing this and do an absolute fan-fucking-tastic job at it. Native *Born* Americans could learn something from their drive to be multilingual.

[happy5214]

IMHO this is too heavy an issue for the Lounge, and so I have moved the thread to the Real World subforum.

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These were children that came illegally, right? Doesn't the American legal system have a notion of an age of criminal responsibility? These Dreamers, in theory, cannot be held legally responsible for their immigration status due to their lack of maturity and their resulting lack of legal responsibility for their own actions. I agree that our immigration system is horribly broken, but I believe the answers are more ways to legally immigrate and pathways to legalization, within reasonable limits, of those who are here illegally. This should never be a country closed to outsiders.

The U.S. has never been a land that "belonged by divine right" by white Europeans. If it belongs to any group, it would be the native Amerindians. But since they were "internally deported", this land should belong to anyone who wants to improve our society and believes in the American ideals of freedom, equality, justice, and the right to pursue a happy, meaningful, and and productive life.

[tom the pit leader]

Originally Posted by happy5214

IMHO this is too heavy an issue for the Lounge, and so I have moved the thread to the Real World subforum.

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These were children that came illegally, right? Doesn't the American legal system have a notion of an age of criminal responsibility? These Dreamers, in theory, cannot be held legally responsible for their immigration status due to their lack of maturity and their resulting lack of legal responsibility for their own actions. I agree that our immigration system is horribly broken, but I believe the answers are more ways to legally immigrate and pathways to legalization, within reasonable limits, of those who are here illegally. This should never be a country closed to outsiders.

The U.S. has never been a land that "belonged by divine right" by white Europeans. If it belongs to any group, it would be the native Amerindians. But since they were "internally deported", this land should belong to anyone who wants to improve our society and believes in the American ideals of freedom, equality, justice, and the right to pursue a happy, meaningful, and and productive life.

Being sent back home is not a punishment, it is the removal of an illegally gained benefit, in the same way that having to return stolen goods is not the punishment for theft.

[happy5214]

Is it not a "punishment" to be forced to move to a place many of these Dreamers don't consider "home", forcing them into what is effectively an exile? Depending on how young they were when they came here, they may know no life other than as an "American".

[bitermer]

If you are going to hold children responsible for the sins of their ancestors... well that's just a very slippery slope. Maybe all those who aren't native American should just go back to their ancestral Homeland too, seeing as they migrated "illegally" into sovereign native lands