Barcelona Spain attacks

[bitermer]

Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

Wrong. Poland belongs to the Poles. They have every right to decide who they allow in. And considering the huge spike in terrorism and sexual assault that come with allowing the Saracens to invade, Poland is clearly taking the morally responsible choice.

No. International law may not mean much in America these days but here in Europe we still try to uphold it. They are in violation of Schengen, UDHR and the 1951 convention on the status of refugees. Look up non-refoulement.

Also your suggestion of Saracens invading shows you are living 500 years in the past. I'd hazard a guess that you've never actually met a Muslim...

[tom the pit leader]

Originally Posted by bitermer

No. International law may not mean much in America these days but here in Europe we still try to uphold it. They are in violation of Schengen, UDHR and the 1951 convention on the status of refugees. Look up non-refoulement.

Also your suggestion of Saracens invading shows you are living 500 years in the past. I'd hazard a guess that you've never actually met a Muslim...

Here we see an army of Saracens knocking down the gates of Macedonia with a battering ram. Since is a photograph from 2016, I'd say I'm right with the times on what the Saracens are up to. The fact that it's often a crime to point out the crime wave that just so happens to correspond with mass Saracen resettlement doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Swing and a miss on the ad hominem. Good try though, because the point was almost relevant.

[totem]

I like that city, dammit

[bitermer]

Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

Here we see an army of Saracens knocking down the gates of Macedonia with a battering ram. Since is a photograph from 2016, I'd say I'm right with the times on what the Saracens are up to. The fact that it's often a crime to point out the crime wave that just so happens to correspond with mass Saracen resettlement doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Swing and a miss on the ad hominem. Good try though, because the point was almost relevant.

The opposite is true, migrants are less likely to commit crime than residents. If you want to get the truth though, you're going to have to read sources other than rags and fascist propaganda, like Breitbart. Saracen was a term widely used among Christian writers in Europe during the Middle Ages, your continued usage suggests a complete lack of understanding, even more so since it refers to Arabs which the majority of migrants are not. Also bit tryhard equivocating a couple of poles at a border fence with a battering ram and invasion.

[DanDesade]

Originally Posted by bitermer

...you have your own veterans committing suicide and sometimes taking others with them...

bitermer

I would be very careful when writing something so provocative

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Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

Poland is clearly taking the morally responsible choice.

the amount of rage this sentence provokes.

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thank you bitermer for your thoughts and acumen

it is tiring to express oneself and then have to explain yourself

Originally Posted by bitermer

No. International law may not mean much in America these days but here in Europe we still try to uphold it. They are in violation of Schengen, UDHR and the 1951 convention on the status of refugees. Look up non-refoulement.

Also your suggestion of Saracens invading shows you are living 500 years in the past. I'd hazard a guess that you've never actually met a Muslim...

[bitermer]

Originally Posted by DanDesade

bitermer

I would be very careful when writing something so provocative

That was the point, but I felt that seeing these people as traumatised veterans of war zones may help to humanise them in the eyes of those who would scapegoat refugees as islamists, criminals and terrorists. People who have had such terror and suffering inflicted upon them will naturally have difficulty putting it behind them.

I am not excusing terrorists actions. I just want to make it clear that they are human and didn't get this way "because Islam". It's natural to stereotype as it will simplify for understanding. In the face of such senseless violence we all ask why and search for reasons. But nothing is ever so simple.

[tom the pit leader]

Originally Posted by bitermer

The opposite is true, migrants are less likely to commit crime than residents. If you want to get the truth though, you're going to have to read sources other than rags and fascist propaganda, like Breitbart. Saracen was a term widely used among Christian writers in Europe during the Middle Ages, your continued usage suggests a complete lack of understanding, even more so since it refers to Arabs which the majority of migrants are not. Also bit tryhard equivocating a couple of poles at a border fence with a battering ram and invasion.

To cut through the propaganda: why is Sweden, with is growing migrant and Saracen populations, becoming increasingly full of rape and terrorism; while Poland, which has taken in almost no migrants or Saracens, is the second safest country in the world? Sweden does try to use a "we lie about our rape problem to make ourselves look bad," defense, but even that defense doesn't explain the disparity in terrorism.


It is well known that collaborators in various European governments have gone out of their way to cover up and explain away the crimes of migrants. The sex-grooming gangs in Rotherham, the mass sexual attack in Cologne, the music festival attacks in Sweden come to mind right off the bat. Before the "fascist" press ran those stories, the only people who had actually been punished in connection with those events were the ones who tried to investigate them. These are the same governments that cry poverty when explaining why they can't track known terrorists (like the one who blew up the Ariana Grande concert), yet have the resources to track down "hate speech" on social media. Just last week, Sarah Champion had to resign from the Labour shadow cabinet because she had the gall to point out that there's a serious problem with Pakistani men sexually assaulting young British girls. You can cite Politburo statistics all day long, but when a prominent feminist politician is muzzled on the issue of fighting rape culture, the curtain is pulled away.


On a more fun but less important note:
I like "try hard" as a rhetorical move. You've admitted that there's photographic evidence that you're wrong, but you're still trying to be dismissive of my interpretation without actually disputing any of the facts. The goal here is for me to back down or backpedal on my initial point, allowing you to advance your position despite being completely wrong. I imagine you get better milage out of that strategy in-person where discussions are more emotional.

[bitermer]

Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

To cut through the propaganda: why is Sweden, with is growing migrant and Saracen populations, becoming increasingly full of rape and terrorism; while Poland, which has taken in almost no migrants or Saracens, is the second safest country in the world?

Sweden isn't, Poland is objectively not. Well maybe all the Polish car thieves are in Germany

Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

[Murdoch press/Breitbart rhetoric]

Stop reading that trash, none of it is true. I live in Europe and I can tell you first hand it's nothing like what youve read. If you ever come I'd be happy to show you round.

Originally Posted by tom the pit leader

You've admitted that there's photographic evidence that you're wrong.

I haven't, I've said two dudes with poles is not an invading army with a battering ram and I stand by that. Hyperbole will get you nowhere. Think of where you've seen this photo and the story invented around it. Now try to clear that story from your mind and look at it objectively.

[Thrash]

Sweden currently has "no-go zones". This is a direct result of the refugee influx. They are losing their country. There are places they can't go to in their own country, because they will be murdered and/or raped, just for being a Swede.

[bitermer]

The above is false and easily debunked if you talk to any Swede who knows their own country or if you travel there yourself. Don't believe everything you read