David Ben-Gurion

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=6

I think that's why they're ignoring you... read it up.

done.. what an ass.

The_Arbiter> so
<The_Arbiter> in one of my infamous thinking sessions in the shower, i have discovered heaven
<The_Arbiter> is anyone here?
<The_Arbiter> or am i going to waste a lot of typing talking to myself
<killer04|Legion> yeah
<VanikHardil[Legion]> guys.. wasn't there a thumbs up emote?
<The_Arbiter> ite
<The_Arbiter> okay
<The_Arbiter> so
<The_Arbiter> after you die, you consciously enter the unconscious, therefore becoming lucid
<The_Arbiter> thus you are in heaven
<The_Arbiter> which doesn't physically exist but is simply a mental state
<The_Arbiter> you can't interact with real people but simply what you perceive to be real people
<The_Arbiter> only way this is possible is if the part of your brain that controls sleep/dreaming stays active even after death
<The_Arbiter> i did a quick google search, http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...fter-death.htm
<VanikHardil[Legion]> you don't say..
<TheRebel> it would be a very short lived heaven then...
<Assarax|legion> i thought it was more the buildup of DMT in your brain releasing as you die
<Assarax|legion> well to you it would SEEM like eternity
<The_Arbiter> yeah
<The_Arbiter> eventually it would end
<Assarax|legion> DMT is a hallucinogen that is made naturally in your brain
<Assarax|legion> it would end, but you'd have no knowledge of it
<The_Arbiter> might start again
<The_Arbiter> just another mental state within the mental state
<TheRebel> yeah a sign will come up and say: level 2
<The_Arbiter> on a plane of infinite states
<The_Arbiter> obviously not
<The_Arbiter> i mean
<The_Arbiter> we could have died already
<The_Arbiter> just have no recollection
<Assarax|legion> essentially reincarnation
<Assarax|legion> but on a different level
<The_Arbiter> mhmm
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<TheRebel> what a morbid subject, though the answer will be found out upon death...
<TheRebel> though the reincarnation theory throws a spnner into that..
<Assarax|legion> found upon death...or a really intense DMT trip, I guess
<The_Arbiter> just an infinite lucid dream
<The_Arbiter> imo
<The_Arbiter> apparently those who have near death experiences
<TheRebel> for me be a fucked up nitemare lol
<The_Arbiter> have increased activity in the left temporal lobe after it
<The_Arbiter> which is the part of the brain that controls visualization
<Assarax|legion> which i bet can be attributed to the DMT being released
<Assarax|legion> because DMT invokes strong visual hallucinations
<The_Arbiter> REM state
<The_Arbiter> It is suggested that the extreme stress caused by a life threatening situation triggers brain states similar to REM sleep and that part of the near death experience is a state similar to dreaming while awake. People who have experienced times when their brains behaved as if they were dreaming while awake are more likely to develop the near death experience. Further stimulation of the Vagus...
<The_Arbiter> ...nerve during the physical and/or psychological stress of a life threatening situation may trigger brain conditions where the person is in a dream-like state while awake.[48][49]
<The_Arbiter> [edit]
<The_Arbiter> so that's near death experience
<Assarax|legion> hm
<The_Arbiter> if you actually do die, who is to say that the reaction is different
<Assarax|legion> thats a good point
<Assarax|legion> but id more attribute that to seeing what's going on, but being as what would be described as an "out of body experience"
<Assarax|legion> so like you'd see the paramdedic working on you, but itd be like a dream
<Assarax|legion> ive never nearly died, so i wouldnt know though
<VanikHardil[Legion]> don't you just hate it when you call someone like your girlfriend and she is more interested in talking to everyone and their brother around her rather than directly to you?
<The_Arbiter> the real key here is discovering whether out of body experiences occur in real time or if they're just your expectations of the event
<Assarax|legion> yeah
<Assarax|legion> and yeah vanik i hate that too
<The_Arbiter> guilty as charged
<VanikHardil[Legion]> I had to hang up on my girlfriend to get the fucking message..
<VanikHardil[Legion]> for her to get*
<Assarax|legion> happened after my cousin died a month ago (today actually), tried to talk to one of my friends, she listened for all of 5 minutes then went back to talking about her problems with her parents
<Assarax|legion> i found it very hard to care
<Assarax|legion> ya know arb, there are guides online on how to make yourself lucid dream
<Assarax|legion> and along with that comes out of body experiences
<The_Arbiter> i don't care enough
<The_Arbiter> at this point at least
<VanikHardil[Legion]> I hate people like that Ass
<The_Arbiter> i mean i personally believe that everything is a perception
<VanikHardil[Legion]> hell yeah, this is the Matrix!
<The_Arbiter> if i was in an OBE i don't think i could tell whether i was looking at something real time or in simluation
<The_Arbiter> simulation*
<The_Arbiter> not the matrix
<The_Arbiter> at all
<The_Arbiter> but simply, the mind controls everything
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<VanikHardil[Legion]> ah so everything is a figment of your imagination?
<TheRebel> pretty much
<VanikHardil[Legion]> such as you are a figment of my imagination, and I am typing to you on a laptop which is a figment of my imagination.. and if I was able to imagine a better world it would be so?
<The_Arbiter> no
<The_Arbiter> you are a figment of my imagination
<VanikHardil[Legion]> backwards..
<The_Arbiter> in my world, you don't exist
<VanikHardil[Legion]> or even so dually backwords..
<The_Arbiter> since you don't exist, you don't have a world
<VanikHardil[Legion]> we are figments of each others imaginations..
<The_Arbiter> no
<VanikHardil[Legion]> we are not real, but our imaginations deem us so..
<The_Arbiter> you don't have an imagination, only I do
<The_Arbiter> everyone is their own God of sorts
<Wenulu> im not a figment
<VanikHardil[Legion]> same to you then..
<VanikHardil[Legion]> you don't have an imagination, only I do
<VanikHardil[Legion]> everyone is their own God of sorts
<The_Arbiter> see now that doesn't make much sense
<The_Arbiter> so my theory of infinite deaths doesn't make sense
<The_Arbiter> there has to be a real universe
<The_Arbiter> and at some point, a string of infinite universes spawn
<The_Arbiter> but infinite in only the positive direction, i guess
<VanikHardil[Legion]> yeah, because if ONE controls everything with his/her imagination, then what about everyone else who is also ONE?
<Assarax|legion> so much existentialism!!!
<VanikHardil[Legion]> iunno.. this is confusing.. and way to baffling for me..
* VanikHardil[Legion] goes back to plucking out tunes on his guitar..
<TheRebel> lol

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...fter-death.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

G'day mate if you do end up rerolling let me know I give you as much money as you need no strings attached to get you back.

I'm not at all worried about it... just let me know if there's anything I can do to help get you back on your feet. Maybe in a year once you're established and have forgotten about the aid I'll shake you down

Hang in there Arb

What message?

sounds fun

Shouldn't be a problem, at one stage I wrote up gmd exam that people who wanted to sled had to pass and I sent it someone in econ, i think was head of sleds but that was while ago.

Hey... whats up?