Leaked U.S. counterinsurgency manual

[FreeMason]

Too long to post here, just go read it.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_train_death_squads_and_quash_revolutions_from_San_Salvador_to_Iraq

Does anyone else have a problem with this? How can we say we're spreading freedom when our policy is to be oppressive?

[Imperial]

War is war, only a fool wouldn't use every weapon in the "arsenal of democracy"

[FreeMason]

It's not truly democracy if we're supressing their freedoms.

[Imperial]

Democracy is relative. China is a democracy, there is just one party within that democracy. The United States has no right to impose its view of democracy and justice upon another sovereign country.

[FreeMason]

Ok, agreed, but we're imposing a large amount of restrictions on the freedoms of the people of other nations. It's not other governments doing this to their own people. It's us doing this to the people of other nations.

[leninrocks244]

This has been around since the Cold War. Fascist Reagan has been sending counterrevolutionaries into Latin America to support totalitarian dictatorships.

[Tox]

Democracy is relative. China is a democracy, there is just one party within that democracy. The United States has no right to impose its view of democracy and justice upon another sovereign country.

China's a democracy ?????

Back to the point, lets be frank America is not a democracy's its a Capitalist state. No morals, no faith, No conscience except the dollar and itself.

Strangely enough Global recession can be blamed on America's aggression and it selfishness.

[Imperial]

China's a democracy ?????

Yes it is, but instead of two parties like the US or multiple parties like the UK or Israel, there is one party in control of the government. The electorate elects the lowest level representatives who then subsequently elect members to the governmental bodies above them and so until you get to the National People's Congress.

[leninrocks244]

Back to the point, lets be frank America is not a democracy's its a Capitalist state. No morals, no faith, No conscience except the dollar and itself.

Strangely enough Global recession can be blamed on America's aggression and it selfishness.

Damn straight

[Megamind]

Can someone tl;dr it for me? I'm too lazy to read it...

BTW are you saying the US is a Democracy??? This confuses me!

[Tox]

Yes it is, but instead of two parties like the US or multiple parties like the UK or Israel, there is one party in control of the government. The electorate elects the lowest level representatives who then subsequently elect members to the governmental bodies above them and so until you get to the National People's Congress.


I'm sorry imperial but your greatly mistaken, china ain't a democracy, just because people can vote and own property doesn't make it a democracy.

[Izubibbywutz]

then what do you label china as?

[FreeMason]

I'm sorry imperial but your greatly mistaken, china ain't a democracy, just because people can vote and own property doesn't make it a democracy.

China is a democracy, in some form. It is not a true democracy, but then again neither is the US. I think what you're trying to get at is that the people of China are not truly free, but that is seperate from democracy. Democracy does not necessarily mean free.

Imperial, as for your comment earlier about the U.S. not having the right to impose its views on democracy on other nations, that is exactly what we're doing in Iraq.

And all of this is pointless to be discussing as it has nothing to do with the original topic, which is the fact that the official policy of the United States when dealing with unfavorable public opinion in nations we support is to suppress dissent in any way possible, which means depriving the citizens of said nation of their basic rights as human beings.

[FreeMason]

Can someone tl;dr it for me? I'm too lazy to read it...

BTW are you saying the US is a Democracy??? This confuses me!

Basically, the manual is the official U.S. policy on how to deal with insurgency and dissent against governments that the U.S. supports. I'll take a few excerpts from the manual (summary of that is at the bottom, if you still don't feel like reading the quotes):

Counterintelligence

[...]

Most of the counterintelligence measures used will be overt in nature and aimed at protecting installations, units, and information and detecting espionage, sabotage, and subversion. Examples of counterintelligence measures to use are


Background investigations and records checks of persons in sensitive positions and persons whose loyalty may be questionable.
Maintenance of files on organizations, locations, and individuals of counterintelligence interest.
Internal security inspections of installations and units.
Control of civilian movement within government-controlled areas.
Identification systems to minimize the chance of insurgents gaining access to installations or moving freely.
Unannounced searches and raids on suspected meeting places.
Censorship.



Control Measures

SF [US Special Forces] can advise and assist HN [Host Nation] forces in developing and implementing control measures. Among these measures are the following:

Security Forces. Police and other security forces use PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures to deprive the insurgent of support and to identify and locate members of his infrastructure. Appropriate PSYOP [Psychological Operations] help make these measures more acceptable to the population by explaining their need. The government informs the population that the PRC measures may cause an inconvenience but are necessary due to the actions of the insurgents.
Restrictions. Rights on the legality of detention or imprisonment of personnel (for example, habeas corpus) may be temporarily suspended. This measure must be taken as a last resort, since it may provide the insurgents with an effective propaganda theme. PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures can also include curfews or blackouts, travel restrictions, and restricted residential areas such as protected villages or resettlement areas. Registration and pass systems and control of sensitive items (resources control) and critical supplies such as weapons, food, and fuel are other PRC measures. Checkpoints, searches, roadblocks; surveillance, censorship, and press control; and restriction of activity that applies to selected groups (labor unions, political groups and the like) are further PRC measures.
[...]

Legal Considerations. All restrictions, controls, and DA measures must be governed by the legality of these methods and their impact on the populace. In countries where government authorities do not have wide latitude in controlling the population, special or emergency legislation must be enacted. This emergency legislation may include a form of martial law permitting government forces to search without warrant, to detain without bringing formal charges, and to execute other similar actions.



Civilian Self-Defense Forces

When a village accepts the CSDF program, the insurgents cannot choose to ignore it. To let the village go unpunished will encourage other villages to accept the government's CSDF program. The insurgents have no choice; they have to attack the CSDF village to provide a lesson to other villages considering CSDF. In a sense, the psychological effectiveness of the CSDF concept starts by reversing the insurgent strategy of making the government the repressor. It forces the insurgents to cross a critical threshold-that of attacking and killing the very class of people they are supposed to be liberating.



In short, we strip the people of rights to privacy, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, habeas corpus, etc. If we cannot lawfully do that in the nation, we make them pass emergancy legislation which allows them to do so. We restrict food and other items which are necessary for survival. And finally, we train civilian paramilitary units to fight against the insurgents/dissenters, thus discrediting even the just liberation movements by forcing them to fight and kill the people they are trying to liberate. That's the official policy.

EDIT: I double posted, get over it.

[Tox]

China is not a Democracy because it's people are answerable to it government. For it to be a democracy it's government has to be answerable to it people. It's more a totalitarian state.

[Sciarretti]

america is a democracy, a representitive democracy where the citizens elect people to represent them, the only problem with it is lobbyists and corporations have more influence on them than the millions they are supposed to represent.

back to the point imperialism led to world war 1 with european compition over colonies, then it also led to world war 2. so obviously americas imperialism will not lead the country on a path to good relations with anyone.

[Villalba]

Well, that is true, a lot of corporations have power over elected officials. But then again, is the american's people own fault for this corporations, because they are fooled by nice shiny things, that they buy it, and then put the blame on those corporations. So how can people blame corporations, and Washington's loby, when in fact, we are the ones that keep those guys in power. Lol is just plain silly.

[Hubb]

China's a democracy ?????

Back to the point, lets be frank America is not a democracy's its a Capitalist state. No morals, no faith, No conscience except the dollar and itself.

Strangely enough Global recession can be blamed on America's aggression and it selfishness.

Are you from America? No morals? No faith? Quit watching BBC and stop making hasty generalizations.

[Sciarretti]

Well, that is true, a lot of corporations have power over elected officials. But then again, is the american's people own fault for this corporations, because they are fooled by nice shiny things, that they buy it, and then put the blame on those corporations. So how can people blame corporations, and Washington's loby, when in fact, we are the ones that keep those guys in power. Lol is just plain silly.

well every company , charity, or anything that recieves money has lobbyists at their expense, so there is no way around it. no matter what in america big buisness is the driving force of politics.

[Malcheior Sveth]

Are you from America? No morals? No faith? Quit watching BBC and stop making hasty generalizations.

While I disagree that the global recession can be laid solely at America's door, yes, America is rapidly losing any moral sense. It comes from being the top dog too long. Everyone has had everything they wanted handed to them on a silver platter, and this generation is one of entitlement. Once our country starts circling the drain, people will realize (again) that hard work, commitment, and a sense of right and wrong are what is needed to make a civilization great. History is a pendulum; hopefully we'll see it swing back soon.

Btw, China is not a democracy. It is a totalitarian state the pretends to be communist and allows limited capitalism (much like Russia was under Lenin).

[FreeMason]

Are you from America? No morals? No faith? Quit watching BBC and stop making hasty generalizations.

The majority of America worships the dollar. And it's not so much that America has no morals as it is that our morality is shifting away from traditional values, which is fine by me. The only issue I have with America's faith and morality is that it is all based on the almighty dollar. I don't care whether or not people believe in a god. I myself am an atheist. It is our shallowness and materialism that disturbs me. And the fact that our gov is perfectly willing to suppress the liberties of other nations for the sake of our own goals.

[leninrocks244]

Are you from America? No morals? No faith? Quit watching BBC and stop making hasty generalizations.

Morals, to an extent. Faith, for some.

[Hubb]

Morals, to an extent. Faith, for some.

That's better than making a broad, sweeping generalization and lumping all of us into one basket. I can handle "to an extent" and "for some" more than saying all of us.

[leninrocks244]

That's better than making a broad, sweeping generalization and lumping all of us into one basket. I can handle "to an extent" and "for some" more than saying all of us.

Well you can't judge a book by it's cover.

[Lincongrad]

I agree with everything Hubb and Imperial have said.