Wait.. what?

[Melidan]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq_yellowcake_mission

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.


The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.


I thought this shit didn't exist inside Iraq? I thought this was all made up? I thought that we were all lied to... At least thats what CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and MSNBC have told us.. I thought Saddam had no nuclear program and Bush, Cheney, Haliburtion, KBR and the Carlise Group all bullshitted us? Hmmph...

[James Davis]

I think maybe they're kinda talking about the building blocks for WMD's. This, in my mind, is certainly proof that Saddam had some sort of weapons program (who honestly thinks he obeyed the UN completely).

I mean, its not like they found anthrax-loaded missles targetted on Washington, but yeah, you'd think this would be bigger news.

[Izubibbywutz]

Lol yellow cake dave chappelle episode

[The Arbiter]

*sighs* I thought we went into Iraq for OIL... Right libs? Oil. Our government lied to us to get oil.

[Zagato]

The war was about Iraq's possession of WMD's.
I've read about Saddam's French-supported nuclear program that went about in the 70's before being crippled in the 80's. His nuclear program was indeed suspicious, but no nuclear weapons resulted. As that article said, they must have something to do with the dead Osirak reactor. Unless that stockpile was discovered in warheads, not in barrels, then you could say "we told you so."

[The Arbiter]

The war was about Iraq's possession of WMD's.
I've read about Saddam's French-supported nuclear program that went about in the 70's before being crippled in the 80's. His nuclear program was indeed suspicious, but no nuclear weapons resulted. As that article said, they must have something to do with the dead Osirak reactor. Unless that stockpile was discovered in warheads, not in barrels, then you could say "we told you so."
Seriously? What ELSE would Saddam be doing with nuclear materials than make nukes?

[leninrocks244]

What I want to know is why we're hearing about this now and how we didn't find this earlier..

[James Davis]

What I want to know is why we're hearing about this now and how we didn't find this earlier..

That's what I'm curious about. The news article treated it like it was already common knowledge, but I haven't heard anything about this before. I would call this evidence that Saddam wasn't in complete compliance with the UN, but nothing really beyond that.

[leninrocks244]

That's what I'm curious about. The news article treated it like it was already common knowledge, but I haven't heard anything about this before. I would call this evidence that Saddam wasn't in complete compliance with the UN, but nothing really beyond that.

Exactly.

[Hubb]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq_yellowcake_mission



I thought this shit didn't exist inside Iraq? I thought this was all made up? I thought that we were all lied to... At least thats what CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and MSNBC have told us.. I thought Saddam had no nuclear program and Bush, Cheney, Haliburtion, KBR and the Carlise Group all bullshitted us? Hmmph...

Figures. :angry:

[IronsightSniper]

Duh....

[Iron Wolf]

The media *can't* treat it with the attention it deserves. They've just spent the last 4 to 6 years bashing the current administration for lying about the existence of WMD program/s.

I have to admit that I am one of those who believed way back before Iraq was invaded that it was more likely that Illinois was planning an armed invasion of Wisconsin with Minnesota's help than it was that Iraq had WMD plans/capabilities. I formally rescind my words to the contrary and am now going to go find that stash of previous words so that I can go eat them.

Melidan, point set and match. You win this round. :D

[Megamind]

This proves nothing that we didn't already knew...all it shows is that Saddam at one point had a WMD program which is common knowledge...

[Hubb]

This proves nothing that we didn't already knew...all it shows is that Saddam at one point had a WMD program which is common knowledge...


Yeah, but all of those things were supposed to have been gone a long time ago (i.e. before we invaded Iraq). Why didn't the IAEA find it? Hmm.....

[Megamind]

Yeah, but all of those things were supposed to have been gone a long time ago (i.e. before we invaded Iraq). Why didn't the IAEA find it? Hmm.....

uh uh time for conspiracy theory!

Well the CIA had to have time to smuggle it in before they could find it right xD

[FreeMason]

You'd think that if they'd found this the administration would have made a big deal about it by now. A kind of "in your face" to everyone who was against the war and called Bush out on lying. And why send it to a Canadian port? This all seems very suspicious...

My conspiracy theory: There is no yellow cake. If there is, it's not from Iraq. The administration is trying to save face. And the Canadians are backing it up. And I wouldn't doubt the CIA thing, Mega. But maybe I'm just crazy...

In any case, time to invade Iran!

[leninrocks244]

I have to admit that I am one of those who believed way back before Iraq was invaded that it was more likely that Illinois was planning an armed invasion of Wisconsin with Minnesota's help than it was that Iraq had WMD plans/capabilities. I formally rescind my words to the contrary and am now going to go find that stash of previous words so that I can go eat them.



O_o

[The Arbiter]

uh uh time for conspiracy theory!

Well the CIA had to have time to smuggle it in before they could find it right xD
I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but if you're not it wouldn't be the CIA to do it. They'd get some Delta force to do it. It's still bullshit, Saddam obviously had a nuclear program. Saying that the USA smuggled it in is almost as dumb as saying that we blew up the World Trade Center.

[FreeMason]

Oh wait, never mind...the stuff came from a nuclear power plant! Because creating electricity is illegal, right? This in no way proves the existance of a WMD project. I know Saddam had one at one point, but this does not in any way prove that Saddam had the WMD project that we used as justification for war.

[The Arbiter]

Oh wait, never mind...the stuff came from a nuclear power plant! Because creating electricity is illegal, right? This in no way proves the existance of a WMD project. I know Saddam had one at one point, but this does not in any way prove that Saddam had the WMD project that we used as justification for war.
Iraq is a fucking Third World Country!!! You think they're technologically advanced enough to create nuclear powerplants to fuel their villages? The yellowcake was obviously going to be used in Saddam's nuclear program.

[FreeMason]

And so we steal uranium from an Iraqi power plant so it can be used in a reactor in Ontario, while the Iraqi people still don't have a reliable source of electricity! Bravo, international coalition!

[FreeMason]

I don't think yellowcake is used in nuclear powerplants.

The article itself says it can.

[The Arbiter]

The article itself says it can.

I edited that post. Go look at it now.

[leninrocks244]

Iraq is a fucking Third World Country!!! You think they're technologically advanced enough to create nuclear powerplants to fuel their villages? The yellowcake was obviously going to be used in Saddam's nuclear program.

Iran is a Third World Country, they're building nuclear power plants.

[FreeMason]

I edited that post. Go look at it now.

Wow. Way to cover your ass. Iraq was not as underdeveloped as you think. If you look at the article, it also references a nuclear plant 12 miles from Baghdad. So yes, I think they can build nuclear power plants. Or they could at one point, before we destroyed their national infrastructure and caused the country to degenerate into civil war.

[The Arbiter]

Iran is a Third World Country, they're building nuclear power plants.
They're building nuclear WEAPONS not plants.

[leninrocks244]

They're building nuclear WEAPONS not plants.

How can you be so sure?

[The Arbiter]

How can you be so sure?
It's fact that Iran is building nuclear weapons.

[FreeMason]

No, it's Bush administration "fact", which means next to nothing at this point.

And if a nation can build the weapons, they can build the plants as well, so the simple fact that Iran is a "3rd world country" and that they are building nuclear something is proof that the Iraqis could, too. Though I still think that Iran and Iraq are both above 3rd world status at this point.

[The Arbiter]

No, it's Bush administration "fact", which means next to nothing at this point.

And if a nation can build the weapons, they can build the plants as well, so the simple fact that Iran is a "3rd world country" and that they are building nuclear something is proof that the Iraqis could, too. Though I still think that Iran and Iraq are both above 3rd world status at this point.
There's no need for nuclear powerplants in Iran and Iraq. You're making them seem innocent. They're not innocent.

[leninrocks244]

No, it's Bush administration "fact", which means next to nothing at this point.

And if a nation can build the weapons, they can build the plants as well, so the simple fact that Iran is a "3rd world country" and that they are building nuclear something is proof that the Iraqis could, too. Though I still think that Iran and Iraq are both above 3rd world status at this point.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[FreeMason]

In Iraq there is! They don't even have a reliable energy source over there! They need something!

And if I'm making them seem innocent, you're demonizing them. Is the West the only place nuclear activity can happen without the activity being seen as "a threat to the human race"?

[The Arbiter]

In Iraq there is! They don't even have a reliable energy source over there! They need something!

And if I'm making them seem innocent, you're demonizing them. Is the West the only place nuclear activity can happen without the activity being seen as "a threat to the human race"?
Oh please. Any civilized nation that isn't run by a fundamentalist Islamic leader who launched a jihad on the West can develop nuclear programs as they please. However, unfortunately Iran is run by a fundamentalist Islamic leader who launched jihad on the West.

[Melidan]

That's what I'm curious about. The news article treated it like it was already common knowledge, but I haven't heard anything about this before. I would call this evidence that Saddam wasn't in complete compliance with the UN, but nothing really beyond that.

This is just the funny thing about the media... All we hear for years is that we were lied to, and that when Bush mentioned "Yellowcake" in his State of the Union address, he was lying to us. Now, this article comes out and treats the fact that there was yellowcake in Iraq as "Duh, everybody knew that."

Don't worry.. Everytime you get into a debate about the Iraq war with a lib, they will still say Saddam had no WMD program.

Edit: Oh, and JD.. as you say , "Saddam wasn't in complete compliance with the UN..." Well, right there is a CB for invasion, as was interpreted in the UN Resolution that ended the 1991 Gulf War. Any non-compliance was a perfectly legit reason for re-nigging on the cease fire and allowing military intervention.

[Great Lakes Union]

There is a big difference between having some yellow cake and having an active Nuclear Program. Hell I am pretty sure we removed a metric ton of yellow cake from my grandparents house when they died. It was next to the 3 garbage bags of packing peanuts they were saving :P

[Melidan]

The media *can't* treat it with the attention it deserves. They've just spent the last 4 to 6 years bashing the current administration for lying about the existence of WMD program/s.

I have to admit that I am one of those who believed way back before Iraq was invaded that it was more likely that Illinois was planning an armed invasion of Wisconsin with Minnesota's help than it was that Iraq had WMD plans/capabilities. I formally rescind my words to the contrary and am now going to go find that stash of previous words so that I can go eat them.

Melidan, point set and match. You win this round. :D

There is a big difference between having some yellow cake and having an active Nuclear Program. Hell I am pretty sure we removed a metric ton of yellow cake from my grandparents house when they died. It was next to the 3 garbage bags of packing peanuts they were saving :P

LOL for both of you! :p

[FreeMason]

Oh please. Any civilized nation that isn't run by a fundamentalist Islamic leader who launched a jihad on the West can develop nuclear programs as they please. However, unfortunately Iran is run by a fundamentalist Islamic leader who launched jihad on the West.

He may openly dislike the West, but he has not launched a jihad on us. At least, not a real one. And we don't have any right to say "anyone who doesn't like us can't have nuclear programs of any kind". We're also hypocrites. We invade people because they might have WMDs, while we continue to develop our own. And why is their Islamic fundamentalist leader any worse than our Christian fundamentalist leader?

Oh, and Melidan, I'm no lib. It's not just the Dems who hate this war. In fact, any real conservative would hate this war and the administration running it. Our deficit is massive (multi-trillion $). The scope of the gov's power over the past 8 years has grown dramatically. Conservativism is the desire for smaller government, less gov spending, etc. The Republicans are no longer true conservatives. Instead, they are traditionalist, fundamentalist Christians, or they are moderates (liberals in disguise, e.g. John McCain). There are very few true conservatives left in American politics.

[Zagato]

It's funny how people here are now saying "Oh look there really were WMD's in Iraq!"

Yeah, sure. Tell me when barrels can be compared to a warhead. If there was any hope that stockpile could be turned into an actual weapon, it would require the innocent Osirak reactor to be fully functioning. But if any of you remember from history, it was completely crippled by Israeli and Iran air strikes in the 80's (actions which the US openly opposed, remind you). As the article says, that stockpile is no different than before 1991.

The invasion of Iraq was based on the idea that Iraq "is in possession of WMD's." While this discovery is better than nothing, it still isn't WMD's. Like I said, they found barrels for a dead reactor, not warheads for SCUD missiles. This yapping about "Iraq's past nuclear program was for nuclear weapons" is nothing but opinions.

Finally, as the article suggests, the discovery was kept on the low-down so insurgents wouldn't find out about it and try to ambush the fragile convoys.

[King Seifer Almasy]

yeah they said that because they couldn't find it at first and it was all hushed up so the media had to put something out their

[Melidan]

The invasion of Iraq was based on the idea that Iraq "is in possession of WMD's."


No. "Weapons Program" was the reason, yellowcake being the source of his fissile material. All of this was unverifiable because he kicked out the inspectors. His fault. Too bad, so sad for him.

[The Arbiter]

No. "Weapons Program" was the reason, yellowcake being the source of his fissile material. All of this was unverifiable because he kicked out the inspectors. His fault. Too bad, so sad for him.
Exactly.

[michaeru]

No, it's Bush administration "fact", which means next to nothing at this point.

And if a nation can build the weapons, they can build the plants as well, so the simple fact that Iran is a "3rd world country" and that they are building nuclear something is proof that the Iraqis could, too. Though I still think that Iran and Iraq are both above 3rd world status at this point.

It's apparently also European Union "fact".

[Zagato]

No. "Weapons Program" was the reason, yellowcake being the source of his fissile material. All of this was unverifiable because he kicked out the inspectors. His fault. Too bad, so sad for him.
You may be refering to the "and in further pursuit of WMD's."
The Osiraq reactor has been completely destroyed in 1991. So how could Iraq "restart a weapons program" in the 21st century with no reactors? Besides, the stockpile was no larger than before 1991.
It seems to me you're saying the invasion was based upon the idea that "Iraq might be making nuclear weapons" when clearly they weren't.

[Melidan]

You may be refering to the "and in further pursuit of WMD's."
The Osiraq reactor has been completely destroyed in 1991. So how could Iraq "restart a weapons program" in the 21st century with no reactors? Besides, the stockpile was no larger than before 1991.
It seems to me you're saying the invasion was based upon the idea that "Iraq might be making nuclear weapons" when clearly they weren't.

They may have not been.. But how could we know? And it wasn't only nuclear programs, but chemical and biological weapons. Our intel and European intel stated that Saddam tried to buy Yellowcake in Africa... Again, I say that he kicked out the inspectors without proving that he didn't have a program.. Boy, Saddam sure has egg on his face now.. and also 6ft of dirt.

[Hubb]

Boy, Saddam sure has egg on his face now.. and also 6ft of dirt.

Along with his two kids. Good times. :badgrin:

[The Arbiter]

Along with his two kids. Good times. :badgrin:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxhmkzeyq5o&feature=related

[FreeMason]

And for no real reason. But hey, it's the American way!

[The Arbiter]

And for no real reason. But hey, it's the American way!
What's wrong with you? Move to Iran, please. Then you can put up with horrible dictators first-hand. Don't sit there calling Americans mindless killers. You're a disgrace.

[Hubb]

And for no real reason. But hey, it's the American way!

:hum_:

Right. The alleged killing of political activists, torturing of Olympic athletes, and continuous stocking of rape rooms isn't reason enough!

ps- No, I'm not trying to tie this in with the reason for Invading Iraq. I simply think both guys were scumbags, and now their consigned to the deepest circles of hell.

[FreeMason]

Yes, Saddam was a horrible man, but please: We invaded for WMDs. So as far as our justification for war is concerned, he's dead for no reason. If we're going to use the atrocities you mentioned as justification, we should have done so before we invaded. You can't change motivation after the fact. It's not ok to say "Yeah, well, Bush lied about the WMDs, but at least <insert reason>." Whats most important is that the Bush administration lied and manipulated to get us into war. And, in case you didn't know, that's bad.

[Megamind]

So...Iraq got blown up because it didn't let big brother look over their shoulder? I was under the impression that Iraq was an independent nation before the American invasion...

About the uranium they supposedly bought in Africa...I thought that had been debunked months ago as wrong/false information...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

Oh and in case someone feels like bringing up that the war happened because of the violent nature of the regime and the breaches of the human rights then I might mention that several African countries are guilty of that on a far larger scale then Iraq...

Oh and if it was because they might have chemical weapons (because they used to) then may I suggest you blow up France for their use of chemical weapons during WW1...because THEY COULD STILL HAVE THEM!!! OMGOMGOMG!!!

[totem]

Depends, do those african countries have any large oil reserves?

[FreeMason]

Did their leaders try to assassinate Bush's daddy?

[Pimptastic]

What's wrong with you? Move to Iran, please. Then you can put up with horrible dictators first-hand. Don't sit there calling Americans mindless killers. You're a disgrace.
I know someone from iran he was my maths teacher till just a couple of years ago we got on very well as I was one of few people who didnt laugh at his accent(it was very very strong) from what he said from his first hand experiences little is dif to things here in england to a normal person they have towns schools and things all the same.

Your view is from what I can tell based on news and tv and how you are told to think of eastern peoples and goverments, the reality that the majority of the people in the countries are happy with the goverment they have providing schools and hospitals and things to them means little to you as you see them as '3rd world' and so by what you have said should never be allowed to develope into anything more than that and the leaders are all going to be rubbish as a result.

If you check many of the dictators are actually ex usa marines people trained by america. If they had been so horrible why did america have them as marines defending you?

Also I belive the american constitution says everyone has the right to arms and property of any type and so you personally are allowed to own a fully functioning fighter jet or tank if you wish, also you are allowed to if you have the money and planning permission to build a power plant as thats not illegal, in america people will spit blood defending your freedoms which are so vast you can probably buy yellow cake on ebay be you the leader of the kkk the worlds largest surviving and most prolific supremacist group to date or a just regular joe, hell you could ask in the auction 'is this the stuff for scud missiles as I want to hit up country x' and your freedom of speech lets you continue, the decision to take away freedoms from other peoples when you have them yourself is awful.

[leninrocks244]

Did their leaders try to assassinate Bush's daddy?

He's the one that should've pulled out.

[FreeMason]

He's the one that should've pulled out.

High five!

[leninrocks244]

High five!

*high fives*

[Lincongrad]

They may have not been.. But how could we know?

Maybe because the CIA told us.

[Pimptastic]

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush

do i need to tell you wtf you can do with aluminum tubes???

[Villalba]

That is very curious, maybe it was not Bush or Chaney who lied, but the news that did it.

[Melidan]

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush

do i need to tell you wtf you can do with aluminum tubes???

ROFL.. One of my fav skits..

"Who said anything bout oil bitch, you cookin?"

[FreeMason]

"You don't believe me, I got some yellow cake right here."

"Don't drop that shit!"

"I know, I know."

"Pray to god you don't drop that shit..."

[The Arbiter]

That is very curious, maybe it was not Bush or Chaney who lied, but the news that did it.
o/

[leninrocks244]

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush

do i need to tell you wtf you can do with aluminum tubes???

lmfao Dave Chappelle is a genius

[Hubb]

"You don't believe me, I got some yellow cake right here."

"Don't drop that shit!"

"I know, I know."

"Pray to god you don't drop that shit..."

Mars, bitches. Red Rocks!

[leninrocks244]

Mars, bitches. Red Rocks!

yaii yaii

[Villalba]

The scary thing, is just not that Iran develops nuclear technology. The scariest would be that Al-Quaeda, or Hammass are getting closer to obtaining this nuclear capability. With a nation of Iran, we can easily respond by sending a preempty strike against the nation, or by planning an assasination of Ahmadehijad...he cannot be tougher than Castro. Except this terrorist groups are not countries, they are groups, you cannot find them on a map, you have to search every corner of the areas, and even then, there is only a slim chance that you are going to find them, and there is a high chance that you are going to get killed in every step you take. In fact, is not Iran im worried about, nor Iraq. It is old mines, of the former Soviet Union. Im just talking, but i wondered as to where all that nuclear capability went when their empire collapse. Just remember that the USSR used to have territories in the Middle East.

[The Corporal]

I don't think they stockpiled nuclear weapons in their Middle Eastern "republics" but there are nuclear test ranges in some of those countries. If you're looking for a good read, look up Memorial Day (sorry, forgot the author). It's about radical Muslims salvaging undetonated nuclear test weapons from a range in Kazakhstan and smuggling them into the U.S.

[IronsightSniper]

Did you guys seriously think Iraq didn't have any WMDs?

[Villalba]

Of course it did, before the first Gulf War. As to what happened, i don't know, they seemed to have dissapeared from the rest of the world, thing is, nukes don't dissapeared like that.

[leninrocks244]

The scary thing, is just not that Iran develops nuclear technology. The scariest would be that Al-Quaeda, or Hammass are getting closer to obtaining this nuclear capability. With a nation of Iran, we can easily respond by sending a preempty strike against the nation, or by planning an assasination of Ahmadehijad...he cannot be tougher than Castro. Except this terrorist groups are not countries, they are groups, you cannot find them on a map, you have to search every corner of the areas, and even then, there is only a slim chance that you are going to find them, and there is a high chance that you are going to get killed in every step you take. In fact, is not Iran im worried about, nor Iraq. It is old mines, of the former Soviet Union. Im just talking, but i wondered as to where all that nuclear capability went when their empire collapse. Just remember that the USSR used to have territories in the Middle East.

No they didn't. Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan are in Central Asia, not the Middle East.

[Lincongrad]

Bah. In the Sum of All Fears, the terrorists only nuke Denver. And who needs Denver?

[FreeMason]

Bah. In the Sum of All Fears, the terrorists only nuke Denver. And who needs Denver?

The Broncos need Denver. Would you want to live in a world without Broncos? WOULD YOU?

[Snickers]

If they nuke anything please let it be San Fransico... They screw up everthing and are agianst some very important american things such as our military(can you believe they kicked out the Navy and are working on getting the JROTC programs out of schools, and forbidding recruiters to talk to people? Shame, people join these things on their own and should be allowed that choice and not have some liberal looney decide for them they cant.) So I think the USA would be much more moral and better if it hadnt been for SF... Sorry for those of yo who live in SF, just those who are crazy there suck, Now if your normal try to escape.

[leninrocks244]

If they nuke anything please let it be San Fransico... They screw up everthing and are agianst some very important american things such as our military(can you believe they kicked out the Navy and are working on getting the JROTC programs out of schools, and forbidding recruiters to talk to people? Shame, people join these things on their own and should be allowed that choice and not have some liberal looney decide for them they cant.) So I think the USA would be much more moral and better if it hadnt been for SF... Sorry for those of yo who live in SF, just those who are crazy there suck, Now if your normal try to escape.

Just nuke the vegans and hippies

[leninrocks244]

The Broncos need Denver. Would you want to live in a world without Broncos? WOULD YOU?

I could do without them

[The Corporal]

Bah. In the Sum of All Fears, the terrorists only nuke Denver. And who needs Denver?

Goddamn you, I haven't finished reading that yet!!! I'm at the part right after they get everyone to agree to sign the peace treaty....aww...now the book is ruined.... :(

On another note, Tom Clancy is awesome. ;)

[Melidan]

Goddamn you, I haven't finished reading that yet!!! I'm at the part right after they get everyone to agree to sign the peace treaty....aww...now the book is ruined.... :(

On another note, Tom Clancy is awesome. ;)

ROFL!

[FreeMason]

Goddamn you, I haven't finished reading that yet!!! I'm at the part right after they get everyone to agree to sign the peace treaty....aww...now the book is ruined.... :(

On another note, Tom Clancy is awesome. ;)

I have to agree, Tom Clancy is BA.

[leninrocks244]

Goddamn you, I haven't finished reading that yet!!! I'm at the part right after they get everyone to agree to sign the peace treaty....aww...now the book is ruined.... :(

On another note, Tom Clancy is awesome. ;)

Agreed

[Scott the Honorable]

in the movie they nuke baltimore