This Looming NPpO Fiasco

[bigdaddychacha]

Friends in Legion, I've been doing a lot of spamming lately and we've had heated talks about all things political, which I always enjoy, but today I have something a bit more serious (because Planet Bob is most serious of all at the end of the day, right?) to broach with you all.

Informally, I'm seeking the opinions and thoughts of our ORRPLE brothers and sisters concerning the showdown that has developed between the opposing camps of the denounced NPO leadership (TrotskysRevenge, BakuninsDream, Bilrow, Darkmistress, SeasonsOfLove, Loucifer, Letum, VektorZero, Triyum, ChilleRelleno and the others) vs. the apparently conspired-against leadership of NpO (Electron Sponge) and the rebellious longstanding NPO members such as Doitzel and Wonder_Bread58, Doppelganger, etc.

I don't seek any official position from your government, necessarily, because the climate of Planet Bob is so volatile that giving one now may well damn your alliance later when one side or the other emerges victorious, assuming this leads to war and not a series of peaceful resignations, and because ultimately this is an internal NPO/NpO matter, in spite of the fact that the whole of Planet Bob undoubtably will be affected by the outcome.

Personally, my main concern right now as the ODN Diplomat to Legion is that you are allied to NPO through an MDP while we are allied to NpO through an MDoAP. Although it is no secret that the ODN has in the past sought better relations with the NPO itself, atm we are contractually bound to only one side and not the other while for you, your bindings are exactly the opposite. While I hope that this does not explode into a hot war, I find the prospect of having to fight against Legionnaires impossible to accept, and even the possibility of our great close alliances being on opposing sides of a conflict, even if we don't attack each other directly, almost equally distasteful.

Well, I've rambled on enough that you should know where I stand. Now I want to hear from all of you!

[Arcadian Empire]

I think what we should do, if it does go to war, Legion and ODN should refuse to attack each other. So we can attack NpO, you guys can attack NPO, but we won't attack each other.

We can refuse, right?

[King William IV]

We have soylent orrple which actually has an optional agression clause but the ODN must choose to come to our aid and it is not required.

[Lincongrad]

To answer your question, bigdaddy, we're still figuring out what's what atm.

[IronsightSniper]

If NPO and NpO goes to war, there can only be 1. victor.
It apparently seems that treaty members with NpO are dropping their treaties to maintain neutrality if such a war came. This is bad for NpO, because they would have lest friends to defend them if a rouge alliance is to attack. NPO and NpO are assuring Planet Bob that everything is cool between them, but they are both massive alliances, it would be hard for 1 person to decide what their alliances think, so my theory would be the main NPO still considers NpO as brothers in arms, but a smaller group of NPO members might think differently and separate from NPO. In doing so, it would trigger a Civil War for NPO, and us, the Legion would most likely be called upon to help. And a more drastic situation would be that the Rouge NPO alliance would have a nuclear arsenal bigger than ours(which is highly likely, all they would need is around 100 guys with full nukes), and they nuke some of our members, some of NPO's members, etc. In doing so, ORRPLE should be initiated and ODN would be called into the fight on the Legion's side. NPO would call for One Vision back up, starting a Civil War on a half global scale. The only thing I can think of that is plausible to cause a GW would be that situation, but NpO would actually want to destroy NPO, and instead of fully declare war, in a few weeks, NpO sends small numbers of their members, slowly, everyday to a new alliance, unknown to Planet Bob. That alliance would then declare war on NPO, and once NPO finds out that the rouge alliance originates to NpO, they would declare war on NpO, and NpO would then call for BLEU back up. And then, a massive GW ensues.

[Arcadian Empire]

What...?

[IronsightSniper]

What...?

Wild conspiracy theories ftw?

[bigdaddychacha]

So we can attack NpO, you guys can attack NPO, but we won't attack each other.

We can refuse, right?
I certainly hope so.

To answer your question, bigdaddy, we're still figuring out what's what atm.
I think we're in the same boat there; this is one of the most complicated situations I've seen on Planet Bob in probably the past year!

If NPO and NpO goes to war, there can only be 1. victor.
It apparently seems that treaty members with NpO are dropping their treaties to maintain neutrality if such a war came. This is bad for NpO, because they would have lest friends to defend them if a rouge alliance is to attack. NPO and NpO are assuring Planet Bob that everything is cool between them, but they are both massive alliances, it would be hard for 1 person to decide what their alliances think, so my theory would be the main NPO still considers NpO as brothers in arms, but a smaller group of NPO members might think differently and separate from NPO. In doing so, it would trigger a Civil War for NPO, and us, the Legion would most likely be called upon to help. And a more drastic situation would be that the Rouge NPO alliance would have a nuclear arsenal bigger than ours(which is highly likely, all they would need is around 100 guys with full nukes), and they nuke some of our members, some of NPO's members, etc. In doing so, ORRPLE should be initiated and ODN would be called into the fight on the Legion's side. NPO would call for One Vision back up, starting a Civil War on a half global scale. The only thing I can think of that is plausible to cause a GW would be that situation, but NpO would actually want to destroy NPO, and instead of fully declare war, in a few weeks, NpO sends small numbers of their members, slowly, everyday to a new alliance, unknown to Planet Bob. That alliance would then declare war on NPO, and once NPO finds out that the rouge alliance originates to NpO, they would declare war on NpO, and NpO would then call for BLEU back up. And then, a massive GW ensues.

tl:du, ie-Too Long, Didn't Understand! :D

[IronsightSniper]

I certainly hope so.


I think we're in the same boat there; this is one of the most complicated situations I've seen on Planet Bob in probably the past year!



tl:du, ie-Too Long, Didn't Understand! :D

Worst case scenario, Gee Dubbya.
Just explaining the steps.

[Arcadian Empire]

Ah. I was confused about what you had said.

[Iron Wolf]

Lol, lost me too.

I see this as a sibling spat to be worked out in private. Should it go to a shooting match, even if we refuse to target each other, we'd end up helping or protecting the flanks of other alliances that are shooting at each of us. Thereby, we'd be helping other alliances kill us both off. Either way you look at it, whether we shoot at each other directly or indirectly, the spirit of Orrple dies.

Should it go to war, I'm at a loss. I'm contractually bound to the NPO, but have more friends and acquaintances over on Polars side of the globe. I find myself in a serious ethical/moral bind. I can't shoot at my friends, but I can't *not* shoot at them either. If I were in the old LUEnited Nations, I'd solve the matter and commit LUEicide instead.

I'm going to go off in a corner now with a rather large bottle of rum and a very small cup of Coke and pretend none of this is happening.

[bigdaddychacha]

Lol, lost me too.

I see this as a sibling spat to be worked out in private. Should it go to a shooting match, even if we refuse to target each other, we'd end up helping or protecting the flanks of other alliances that are shooting at each of us. Thereby, we'd be helping other alliances kill us both off. Either way you look at it, whether we shoot at each other directly or indirectly, the spirit of Orrple dies.

Should it go to war, I'm at a loss. I'm contractually bound to the NPO, but have more friends and acquaintances over on Polars side of the globe. I find myself in a serious ethical/moral bind. I can't shoot at my friends, but I can't *not* shoot at them either. If I were in the old LUEnited Nations, I'd solve the matter and commit LUEicide instead.

I'm going to go off in a corner now with a rather large bottle of rum and a very small cup of Coke and pretend none of this is happening.

I appreciate the level of soul-searching you've put into your thoughts here; if you happen to think of a solution while you're mulling it over with your Rum & Coke, get back to us and let us know, okay? :D

[Iron Wolf]

Lol, done deal. :D

[Arcadian Empire]

Done yet? It's been three hours...

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Sticky. Very sticky indeed.

[Melidan]

I will not level my rifle at an ODN'er. Ever.

I understand what IW is saying though.. Even if we're not fighting eachother directly, we will be on opposite sides of the field. I believe we must put our full faith in God and pray that the Orders do not go to war.

[Legionnaire]

I have a solution:

1) Merge into ORRPLE.
2) Gigantic ORRPLE secks orgies ensue.
3) Due to being a 'new' alliance we technically don't have any treaties binding us to either side, or anyone else. Also, we found ORRPLE on the principles of infinite secks and Neutrality; plus, we would be the only bi-color neutral alliance. :awesome:
4) Get curbstomped by Continuum the next day
f) wait, what?

On a serious note, where's my caek?

[hockeyD13]

GREAT :P

[Lmcfalcon12]

I like it.

[voodoochild]

Yay! Curbstomping!

Okay, seriously, though. There is no way ORRPLE will split. I think I can honestly say now that ORRPLE is the strongest bond on Planet Bob between two alliances without merging. It used to be strongest bond "this side of the Orders," but such is not the case anymore.

I must also say, I love Polaris and ES, and will defend her should it come to that. This may put us on opposite ends of a war, and that saddens me, but we will not attack each other. There's no way.

:wub: Legion :wub:

[Hubb]

No way will I attack a member of the ODN. Not going to happen.

[Arcadian Empire]

Who wants to break the news to the orders?

[Legionnaire]

I might attack ODN secksually::wub:

Additionally, we should upgrade our MDP to MADPADTATSWAHWWNAEOP (Mutual Aggression and Defense, Also Due To All The Secks We Are Having We Will Never Attack Each Other Pact).

:wub: ODN :wub:

[asacavanagh]

Ah. I was confused about what you had said.

as was i

[bigdaddychacha]

I hope there is no war, as well. What also bothers me is what happens at the end when one side has to pay reps or (shudder) forcibly disband or something. I really hope it doesn't come down to this for either side.

[Arcadian Empire]

If it does go to war and the ODN does disband, you have a home in the Legion!

=)

[Imperator]

If it does go to war and the ODN does disband, you have a home in the Legion!

=)

Hopefully it will not come to this, but it is glad to know. ORRPLE will endure! :D

[Froggor]

I will not fire at my old alliance no matter what war happens here. Even if we end up on the opposite sides we will simply have to attack others not each other. My hope is that the war doesn't happen at all.

[Arcadian Empire]

After the cancelling of the Ordinance of the Orders...90% likely we're going to war.

Let's still hope for the best.

[Iron Wolf]

If you're forced to disband, hide out here. :) Anything less drastic, our cash reserves are ready to rebuild you guys n gals :D

[bigdaddychacha]

If you're forced to disband, hide out here. :) Anything less drastic, our cash reserves are ready to rebuild you guys n gals :D

I truly appreciate the sentiment, but chances are, winner-side allies wouldn't appreciate aid flowing INTO a defeated enemy alliance and the losing side would be sending out reps for a few months...

[Melidan]

They wouldn't force ODN to disband! I think that's going a lil overboard crazy...


Also, Legionnaire.. You missed one step..

I have a solution:

1) Merge into ORRPLE.
2) Gigantic ORRPLE secks orgies ensue.
3) Due to being a 'new' alliance we technically don't have any treaties binding us to either side, or anyone else. Also, we found ORRPLE on the principles of infinite secks and Neutrality; plus, we would be the only bi-color neutral alliance. :awesome:
4) Get curbstomped by Continuum the next day
f) wait, what?

On a serious note, where's my caek?

Step 6) Profit

:wub: ODN :wub:

[Iron Wolf]

I truly appreciate the sentiment, but chances are, winner-side allies wouldn't appreciate aid flowing INTO a defeated enemy alliance and the losing side would be sending out reps for a few months...

And MDP partners helping get a long-time treatied friend back on their feet is a problem.... ? Besides, we can always point out that Orrpleness is thicker than the Orders. ;) That aughtta go over real well. :aiwebs_011:

[Melidan]

I would also support a massive re-building effort, if and when it came to it (I pray that it won't). And yes.. feathers might get ruffled, but they have to understand what ODN means to us.

[Arcadian Empire]

We can always say it's ODN! It's like Girls and Guys, they are meant to...not that! They are made for each other!

Legion-ODN = Caek and more caek

That's just how it is.

[Iron Wolf]

It's an ORRPLE thing.

You wouldn't understand.

:D

[Arcadian Empire]

Say there is like a seekrit clause in the Legion-ODN MDP, it was in White when we posted it...that'll explain the empty space between Articles IV and V.

I don't know, try that =)

[Imperial]

I don't think we need to make excuses.

[Arcadian Empire]

I guess so, in reality. But you'll never know the inner workings of the Emperor TrotskysRevenge, unless...

[Imperial]

I guess so, in reality. But you'll never know the inner workings of the Emperor TrotskysRevenge, unless...

And you never will. The only person who will is Moo.

[Arcadian Empire]

Yes we could...if we asked Moo =P

Provided he tells us.

[bigdaddychacha]

Alright, situation narrowly averted! I'm glad to hear that ODN can always count on support from Legion if it comes to it, and I'm a bit afraid of how very near it came this time. Big relief at ODN when Electron Sponge stepped down, glad we can all go back to being on the same side again! :D

[Melidan]

Indeed! :cheers: