U.S oil secret

[zaver66]

I'm not sure about this being entirely accurate but i know for sure about this. When the United states hired exon to drill in alaska for oil what they found was huge. they found enough oil in alaska underground to fuel the cars for the next *1000* yearrs! they sealed it up and told exon to not say anything. the goverment says it doesn't even exsist, but the truth is it actually does.

It annoys me because were paying from $3.50-$5.00+ for gas and we have enough fuel to flood half the planet.


-Please post your opinions or any research you might find on this topic

[Lmcfalcon12]

I have heard and read articles stating that drilling in National Parks would allow us to run cars and homes in America for 60 years. There is no way that in Alaska alone, there is enough oil to power 1000 years worth of cars with a growing population. I could see maybe a couple hundred if all cars and I mean ALL were hybrids.

[zaver66]

it actually could belive it or not because what happend was exon said they cant do it, they were afraid because they're was so much oil in the deposite that what they found out was it was over like around 5+ miles deep and wide the pressure was so high they were afraid to drill any further. so they sealed it up and tried to cover up they info on it

[Imperial]

Oil consumption rises at an exponential rate. It may have been adequate at the time when there were 50 million cars on the road, but I have sincere doubts it can meet today's needs. Second, there is a reason these lands are national parks, they are off limits. The great oil conspiracy is what I'll call this.

[Lmcfalcon12]

Oil consumption rises at an exponential rate. It may have been adequate at the time when there were 50 million cars on the road, but I have sincere doubts it can meet today's needs. Second, there is a reason these lands are national parks, they are off limits. The great oil conspiracy is what I'll call this.

I by no means will ever approve of the desecration of a National Park no matter how much it would lower gas prices and no matter how much oil we could find there.

[zaver66]

i have to agree with falcon because once they start drilling then the goverment will begin construction on the land and befor you know it the park is an apartment complex. And the oil thing in alaska was discovered only abotu 2 or 3 years ago or maybe it was 1:globe:

[IronsightSniper]

Yeah but you have to refine the crude oil into gasoline so that it is usable by our cars. For example, 100's of billions of barrels of crude oil are estimated to be found at a site in North Dakota. Scientist estimates that we will only be able to get 3 billion barrels out refined into gasoline.

[zaver66]

yea but they said its was enough refined for 1000 years

[IronsightSniper]

yea but they said its was enough refined for 1000 years

Now why would they want to hide this secret. Plus, Alaska's oil reserves are going down. Soo.....

[DarkNoble]

hmmmmmmmm

[zaver66]

they wanted to keep it secret and say its there for military emergiences only. which doesnt make since because they govrement has to pay for the gasoline for the military, so why would they try to cover it up? i just thinks it a lil suspecious.

[IronsightSniper]

they wanted to keep it secret and say its there for military emergiences only. which doesnt make since because they govrement has to pay for the gasoline for the military, so why would they try to cover it up? i just thinks it a lil suspecious.

Uhhh...the U.S. already has a National Oil Reserves. There's enough oil there to allow the nation to run regularly for 10 days(or weeks) forgot.

[Hubb]

Uhhh...the U.S. already has a National Oil Reserves. There's enough oil there to allow the nation to run regularly for 10 days(or weeks) forgot.

I believe it's supposed to be around 160 days. Here's the link to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve holdings: http://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/dir.html

However, just because it's "supposed" to do something doesn't mean it will. Government bureaucratic blundering is an art form, much to my dismay.

Also, to the Topic Starter, where did you get this information, if I may ask?

[Sandrock149]

they say that oil we drilled in Alaska now...the one that is being made public will only fuel America for 10 years with the rising oil consumption by our country. They do say also that if it was Brazil it will last for 100 years. This just shows how badly the United States is on oil consumption.

[IronsightSniper]

they say that oil we drilled in Alaska now...the one that is being made public will only fuel America for 10 years with the rising oil consumption by our country. They do say also that if it was Brazil it will last for 100 years. This just shows how badly the United States is on oil consumption.

Obvious -_-
But on the good side, once we run out of oil, we would be forced to use renewable energy, unless we decide we have a lot of coal, use coal to burn for energy, use that energy for car, ehh,

[bigdaddychacha]

In a time where oil prices are reaching unheard-of levels in America, I can see how rumors of what essentially amounts to "the fountain of youth" of oil would come about. I don't buy it. I was born in Alaska and would never support destroying any part of that eco-system to temporarily sustain an ultimately unsustainable mode of transportation. Don't chase these pipe dreams, start researching alternative modes.

I read on Yahoo the other day that a group in Japan just invented a car that runs off of water. Not any special kind of water, either, any kind you can get: rain water, faucet water, hose water, bottled water, etc. If they find a way to mass produce that and work out all the kinks, every American car company could go under overnight. We gotta get with the program or we're gonna get left behind in the automobile industry again, as well as in environment/modernity/technology/etc.

[IronsightSniper]

In a time where oil prices are reaching unheard-of levels in America, I can see how rumors of what essentially amounts to "the fountain of youth" of oil would come about. I don't buy it. I was born in Alaska and would never support destroying any part of that eco-system to temporarily sustain an ultimately unsustainable mode of transportation. Don't chase these pipe dreams, start researching alternative modes.

I read on Yahoo the other day that a group in Japan just invented a car that runs off of water. Not any special kind of water, either, any kind you can get: rain water, faucet water, hose water, bottled water, etc. If they find a way to mass produce that and work out all the kinks, every American car company could go under overnight. We gotta get with the program or we're gonna get left behind in the automobile industry again, as well as in environment/modernity/technology/etc.

Japan already has a Air car so......

[The Corporal]

This is simply the silliest thing I've ever heard of. Even if we assume that American consumption of oil does not go up (from just under 9 billion barrels per year), you're asserting that there is 9 trillion barrels of oil in Alaska. That's preposterous. Prudhoe Bay had about 15 billion barrels. Potential fields with similar geology (ANWR) would have about the same. One other place in the Arctic (don't remember the name anymore) underwent some exploratory drilling because the geology was similar to Prudhoe Bay and they found diddly squat. There is a 90% chance that any drilling in ANWR would result in the same - not a drop of oil. It's not worth pissing off the hippies our liberal friends ;) to get a whole lot of nothing. And even if we do find it and magically pump it all out and refine it, that would last us less than two years. Assuming we don't export it. Which is also ridiculous...

[zaver66]

i got this information from the news, and internet, and my dad and seriously i dont think in my lifetime my dad has given more than 3 wrong answers to something. EVER but a bunch of people's parents i know, know all about it

[zaver66]

well im not aserting the topic or trying to debat i just brought up the topic because it was something i heard that i thought was a very interesting topic. its only here for the freedom of speech and free opinion for people to use. well thank you all for your opinions and please continue posting if you'd like

[The Corporal]

I see. I know zip about your TV/internet/parental sources, but I took an Energy Resources class (some people must be getting tired of me saying that all the time ;) ) a year ago or so and half of the class was spent covering petroleum - exploration, drilling, refining, etc. The geology of the area doesn't allow for 9 trillion barrels of oil when the entire world reserve is less than 3 trillion (and probably much closer to 1.5 trillion) barrels.

Semi-related interesting story I found today - Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece)

[Villalba]

The thing is, ounce we run out of petroleoum, we might as well go back to the caves.

[bigdaddychacha]

Somewhere I heard/saw someone say "we should fuel our cars with belly-button lint; it's a renewable resource!" I forget what movie that was from, but I lol'd!

[CptMcArthur]

The thing is, ounce we run out of petroleoum, we might as well go back to the caves.

Not really. Fully functioning and working electrical cars are already out, we just need to make their manufacturing cheaper before they come out.

Please, don't second guess, I personally know the guy who is involved in getting it all going in New Zealand. Lotus are making the cars, a Uni in Aussie is making the engines. They work fine. We will most likely need some nuclear reactors for them to be viable, but they are good.

[Lmcfalcon12]

Not really. Fully functioning and working electrical cars are already out, we just need to make their manufacturing cheaper before they come out.

Please, don't second guess, I personally know the guy who is involved in getting it all going in New Zealand. Lotus are making the cars, a Uni in Aussie is making the engines. They work fine. We will most likely need some nuclear reactors for them to be viable, but they are good.

Agreed. There are always going to be ways to get by without petroleum.

Bottom line: I don't care where we drill...EXCEPT, like I said, no screwing up any national park lands, animal sanctuaries, etc...etc. Go up to the top of Alaska and drill for all I care, so long as you don't hurt the environment. Let's face it, there's probably a shit load of ice shelves sitting around with no plants or animals on 'em.

[zaver66]

yes thats true about the electrical cars but the thing is you cant run an electric plant without gasoline for the machinery. and without electricity the entire world will fall within 6 days most likely. but eather way it will fall

[zaver66]

ive just recently found out that this was enough to power for the next 1000 years was at the rate in the year 1992. now its around half-which is 500 years

[Tox]

to be honest, even if we did find enough oil for another 100 years, the pollution would kill us. The day I see a hydrogen petrol station chain will be a happy day for me.

oh and also, look at this

http://www.businessweekly.co.uk/2008030631558/engineering/only-the-car-will-drink-drive-in-lotus%E2%80%99-alcohol-fuel-experiment.html

lotus plans on making a car the is alcohol power but gets the alcohol from the co2 in the air.

[zaver66]

thanks tox for the link and yeah thats true like i said the 1000years was back in a 1992 gas usage rate. today it would be about 500 years and probably going to be less because of the rapid population growth and the fact all these horny teenage girls lol no offens just saying its partly your fault girls for being to hot! lol. (not a bad thing ;))

[IronsightSniper]

I see. I know zip about your TV/internet/parental sources, but I took an Energy Resources class (some people must be getting tired of me saying that all the time ;) ) a year ago or so and half of the class was spent covering petroleum - exploration, drilling, refining, etc. The geology of the area doesn't allow for 9 trillion barrels of oil when the entire world reserve is less than 3 trillion (and probably much closer to 1.5 trillion) barrels.

Semi-related interesting story I found today - Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece)

That's nice.

[The Corporal]

Also, the SPR will last 37 days at current consumption but only 4.4 million barrels can be pumped out per day, which means that the reduced consumption rate will last 159 days.

[CptMcArthur]

lotus plans on making a car the is alcohol power but gets the alcohol from the co2 in the air.

Lotus are the guys who are interesting in the electric powered cars.

zaver66, thats not true. If electricity was used to power all engines nowadays, of course there will be niche products who for whatever reason still use petrol. Of course, imagine how long our current oil reserves would last if all our engines were electric and our power was supplied by nuclear power plants. The only thing after that is finding a substitute to oil based materials (plastic etc etc)

To be honest, I think at the moment the problem is pollution.

[Aussie Avenger]

If this oil exists then its basically just the US government keeping it there for a rainy day so to speak, when the rest of the world runs out of oil then the US will have plenty, but thats being of the assumption that the world will continue to reply on oil that is.

[Tox]

Lotus are the guys who are interesting in the electric powered cars.

zaver66, thats not true. If electricity was used to power all engines nowadays, of course there will be niche products who for whatever reason still use petrol. Of course, imagine how long our current oil reserves would last if all our engines were electric and our power was supplied by nuclear power plants. The only thing after that is finding a substitute to oil based materials (plastic etc etc)

To be honest, I think at the moment the problem is pollution.

am i dont think so lotus are an english company that make sports cars in a yorkshire industrial estate. See lotus Elise uses a toyota mr2 engine 2.2 turbo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Cars

[aarow]

...yeah our u.s. secret is called fricken alaska which we cant touch cause of the f*ckin enviromentalists...think how much cheaper it would be but no we'll just let it sit there in a part of the world that no one uses or cares about...

[The Arbiter]

It's the environmentalists not the government..

[Judicator]

Not much to hide there guys...everyone knows about the reserves in Alaska. The only thing standing in the way of drilling there is the "Save the Polar Bears" Bit. The Polar Bear spiel is actually a farce, less than 10% of the world's population of Polar bears live in Alaska and they are not even sure of that because they migrate. Polar bears are at their highest population that they have been at in a long time, they should not even be on the endangered species list! I'll have to find that article I read about this...I think you would enjoy it.

I personally think that they should give the thumbs up to drill in Alaska...anywhere outside of National Parks.

[The Arbiter]

It's a fuckin patch of ice. Stick a drill in there and be over with it.

[FreeMason]

Or maybe we can find an alternative instead of simply postponing the inevitable. No matter how much oil we can get out of one place, it will still run out eventually. The "drill everywhere we can put a drill" idea is incredibly shortsighted. We need a permanent solution.

[The Corporal]

Yes, but until that either A) materializes out of thin air or B) is developed and refined to the point of being even remotely economical, we have to make do with what we have. People have been trying to design cost-effective means of reducing our oil consumption since the crisis in the 70s. And guess what? It still hasn't happened. Compared to a similar traditional vehicle, a hybrid costs between $5000 and $7000 more over the lifetime of the car. People like to talk about environmental sustainability but they often forget economical sustainability. (Before you trumpet the age of the plug-in electric vehicle, don't forget that our power infrastructure is getting old, because environmentalists refuse to allow it to be upgraded, and that if even just 1 million plug-ins were sold, rolling blackouts would happen as often as people currently bitch about oil prices.)

[Zagato]

How about moving the polar bear reserves to the Yukon or Siberia, maybe? Then they can drill as much as they want.
Or better yet, save it until a REAL fuel crisis happens.

Hybrids are indeed costly, and electric vehicles are not an international option until the power infastructure is upgraded. Believe it or not, there are STILL coal powerplants out there! ALOT of them! Why can't environmentalists open their eyes and go bother those companies instead?
I'd love to see them wave a "No Coal, Go Nuclear" banner. But I can only dream.

The best solution is to lower the taxes diesel fuel and do more to re-introduce diesel cars into North America. Europe is full of them and they get 50+ MPG! Once again the problems lays with those environmentalists who still think modern diesel cars still perform like the 1970's tractor engines spewing black smoke.

[ParkerBaby]

Um...just to add my point about the Alaska oil reserves. I dunno how much is there, but people do know about it. And uh, the problem isn't so much being allowed to get to it, the problem is more actually GETTING it.

When they drill for oil, it costs ALOT of money, time and energy. So if they made a massive drill like that, the prices of gasoline would sky rocket, possibly upwards of 15 bucks a shot. Which, compared to now, is very VERY high. They are more so worried that because of the massive spike in prices, and the instability of the American economy, we would fall into an economic lapse. IE, people wouldn't have the money to goto some of the most important jobs, like water treatment plants, energy plants, OIL REFINERIES. Plus the costs of living would jump even higher for heating, and basic oil based products would be so expensive, most stores wouldn't get them, but most of their employees wouldn't be able to get to work. Airlines, bus companies and train companies would go bankrupt from the sheer cost to maintain their trade. It would take about 25-30 years for the drilled oil in Alaska to start making a difference, and by that time, theres a good chance the USA would be in a small civil war over continental oil reserves, like those in national parks.

All though thats a long shot in retrospect, you can't say its not likely. Americans are used to very very comfortable lives in general, so once our #1 requirement, for most people, to live is gone or too expensive to get, people do what they always do. During major disasters, whats the first thing on some peoples list? Loot stores. Exact same idea here, only they'd loot oil reserves instead.

Oh and let it be known, I cant confirm some facts with links or nothing, I heard them on the news. But as for the consequences, its kinda obvious thats the only route that we could take.

[aarow]

Or maybe we can find an alternative instead of simply postponing the inevitable. No matter how much oil we can get out of one place, it will still run out eventually. The "drill everywhere we can put a drill" idea is incredibly shortsighted. We need a permanent solution.

Agreed we need a more permanent solution, something that will last, but we also need something right now, and right now oil is all we got and its fuckin expensive so lets actually use what we have. As for the future there are these things called hydrothermal vents or somethin at the bottom of the ocean. In one day, one of these vents gives off enough energy to fuel the whole world for a year, but we dont know how to harness it. Somethin like that, I saw it on the discovery channel.