You WILL use the new lightbulbs

[Melidan]

I don't know anyone that uses these new bulbs.. They are expensive, they have shitty light quality and last but not least, they contain mercury. So when you break them, have fun.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg

Big government to the rescue, telling us what we need to do.. Guess I need to stock up on Edison's special brand.

[Pimptastic]

Thats amazing I have broken loads of them at work for fun kinda sucks to find they had mercury in.

[IronsightSniper]

Thank god I don't care about the environment.

[King William IV]

Oh my God what a great speaker.

[Melidan]

Thats amazing I have broken loads of them at work for fun kinda sucks to find they had mercury in.

lol, glove up!

[Pimptastic]

lol, glove up!
lol no, im in the uk its legal to break lightbulbs and then have your works cleaners get mercury poisining lol

[Camarilla]

I have never liked those light bulbs, all of my lights are LED bulbs, I like the color of the light.
They are very bright as well. I love all my LED bulbs.
Does the law still allow me to use my LED bulbs?

[Hubb]

Thank god I don't care about the environment.


:roflcopter:


I laughed for about five minutes when I saw that.

[CptMcArthur]

The new "spiral" lightbulbs? Don't know which ones you Yankee's use, but the new enviro-friendly bulbs we have in New Zealand are great.

Brighter and better looking then the old ones, last longer, not very expensive. I don't mind the mercury. I generally don't crush lightbulbs in my bare hands for fun. Anyway, I was playing with a little blob of Mercury at work today, that stuff's not toxic is it?

[IronsightSniper]

:roflcopter:


I laughed for about five minutes when I saw that.

Please don't copy me and spread my message around =(
If so, more people won't care then the Earth will blow up,
But If I don't care and everybody else care, my doings won't do crap!

[Great Lakes Union]

I actually love them, they are a lot brighter...

[IronsightSniper]

I actually love them, they are a lot brighter...

$10 bucks say you're not as bright as that CFL.....

[Melidan]

I actually love them, they are a lot brighter...

My landlord put them in the basement.. I walked down there and it was like a dungeon, I couldn't even see what I was doing. After complaints (no, it wasn't me) he replaced them with the regular bulbs. Honestly, idk why your saying they're brighter.. In all instances I have seen, they are not!

[Pimptastic]

The new "spiral" lightbulbs? Don't know which ones you Yankee's use, but the new enviro-friendly bulbs we have in New Zealand are great.

Brighter and better looking then the old ones, last longer, not very expensive. I don't mind the mercury. I generally don't crush lightbulbs in my bare hands for fun. Anyway, I was playing with a little blob of Mercury at work today, that stuff's not toxic is it?
your kidneys cant pass the stuff so you get a build up of metal in your kidneys and basicly die of painful kidney problems and other problems that mostly stem from this

also you can go mad from it which is where the term 'mad as a hatter' comes from as mecury was used in the process of making top hats and bowler hats keep shape

[Sandman]

And here in Kuwait, We don't even know how to clean up with a BROOM!!! and yet pick it up with cardboards and Duck tape. Hmmm no wonder why my tv not working....Next time i'll just turnoff the LIGHTS

[Pimptastic]

just use bees wax and hemp whicked candles both bees wax and hemp are 100% bio degradable and so long as we have bees and fields to grow hemp they are able to be produced, please dont go into the logistics of how many bees are needed to provide wax for all the lights in the world this is a minor technicality

[wain]

Anyway, I was playing with a little blob of Mercury at work today, that stuff's not toxic is it?

http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/roflcopter.gif

Yes, mercury is very dangerous. I've heard that mercury poisoning causes your fingernails and stuff to fall off. o_o

[wain]

I went into a Subway a couple of weeks ago that had these new "spiraly" bulbs in. It was okay. It didn't seem brighter, but it didn't seem dimmer, so if it "helps the environment" (and the electric bill), sure... why not.

[Assarax]

just use bees wax and hemp whicked candles both bees wax and hemp are 100% bio degradable and so long as we have bees and fields to grow hemp they are able to be produced, please dont go into the logistics of how many bees are needed to provide wax for all the lights in the world this is a minor technicality

Mhmm and those hemp fields would have a nice little byproduct that brings joy to millions of potheads around the world. It's win-win my friend!

[Villalba]

Mercury?

Seesh, what object doesn't pocess some chemical that kills you. Even baby toys have poison lead in it.

[Camarilla]

But But, can I still use my LED bulbs under the law they were talking about, they are much better for the environment than either CFLs or incandescent bulbs, hardly use any electricity as well. They are very bright. Pretty much the perfect light bulb if you can deal with the color, which I personally love.

[Pimptastic]

a LED is a diode and not technically a 'light bulb' so not part of the same laws, are a few laws concerning electrical products but i doubt any on LEDs would be like banning resistors

[hockeyD13]

Thats really messed up

[DarkNoble]

when these things first came out they sucked, the lighting was awful . The newer ones are much much better, My family has almost switched entirely to these things and I can honestly tell you that it has helped our electric bill. Nothing against the old bulbs but when something better comes along you use it.

And yeah mercury can be dangerous but have you looked under the sink in your bathroom at all the crap under there? There is some shit under there that will kill you overnight in a very painful matter.

Common sense > most people

[hockeyD13]

maybe i will get some of these new bulbs

[Camarilla]

LED bulbs are better, use less electricity as well.

[hockeyD13]

they are both good

[IronsightSniper]

I say we, all of Legion use the normal ones, not CFL, not even LED. Our numbers are nothing in the world, so if everybody else is saving, and we're not, we can enjoy ourselves, and not make a big dent in our environment, just as long as everybody else doesn't be a bitch and hop on our band wagon.

[Great Lakes Union]

My landlord put them in the basement.. I walked down there and it was like a dungeon, I couldn't even see what I was doing. After complaints (no, it wasn't me) he replaced them with the regular bulbs. Honestly, idk why your saying they're brighter.. In all instances I have seen, they are not!

Cause whenever I replace an old bulb with one its always brighter :P

[Zagato]

Thank god I don't care about the environment.

To add to this, saving the environment is not as specific as all may think.

-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if that means there wouldn't be plastic bags all over my front lawn. I like it when stuff I own is clean. Who wouldn't?
-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if a tree falls over and crushes my car. If the environment had the nerve to make trees fall on your things, you'd care too.
-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if a chemical weapon went off near my street. I'd die if the the grass turned purple and my water supply ends up as mutant fish guts.

But, when it comes to money,

-No, I don't care if I put paper into the garbage can at home. I'm not going to spend more than 10 times the value of a piece of paper on fuel per kilometre to drive to the nearest public building that actually stocks a recycling bin!
-No, I don't care if my diesel car produces slightly more pollution than a gasoline car. It saves me money and doesn't choke any more baby rabbits to death than a pick-up truck!

So, no. I don't care if one light bulb affects the environment slightly more than another brand. If it saves me money, who cares?

'Saving the Environment' should be re-advertised as "Saving your wallet with common sense and values, but exploited by hippies as a free marketing campaign for their nuclear protests and potato shoes."

-So ends my rant.

[IronsightSniper]

To add to this, saving the environment is not as specific as all may think.

-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if that means there wouldn't be plastic bags all over my front lawn. I like it when stuff I own is clean. Who wouldn't?
-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if a tree falls over and crushes my car. If the environment had the nerve to make trees fall on your things, you'd care too.
-Yes, I care about the 'environment' if a chemical weapon went off near my street. I'd die if the the grass turned purple and my water supply ends up as mutant fish guts.

But, when it comes to money,

-No, I don't care if I put paper into the garbage can at home. I'm not going to spend more than 10 times the value of a piece of paper on fuel per kilometre to drive to the nearest public building that actually stocks a recycling bin!
-No, I don't care if my diesel car produces slightly more pollution than a gasoline car. It saves me money and doesn't choke any more baby rabbits to death than a pick-up truck!

So, no. I don't care if one light bulb affects the environment slightly more than another brand. If it saves me money, who cares?

'Saving the Environment' should be re-advertised as "Saving your wallet with common sense and values, but exploited by hippies as a free marketing campaign for their nuclear protests and potato shoes."

-So ends my rant.
tl;dr
summary please.
=)

[The Corporal]

CFL's aren't bad if you get the ones with the pinkish cast to them. I've got two in the room I'm in right now and I can't tell that they aren't incandescent. However, I've got a blue one in my living room and that doesn't put out very much light. It could be that it is an older bulb, but it does piss me off a little bit. And as for the mercury, who gives a shit about the environment? Not me either. (By the way, I have a 25 mL vial full of mercury as part of my element collection. the EPA would probably have a stroke at the stuff I have on the shelf behind me - mercury, lead, uranium, thorium, lithium, sodium, potassium, beryllium, americium... :D )

[Aussie Avenger]

In Australia you can get these lightbulbs (the mercury spiral ones) for free because the company makes money selling the carbon credits, they are a hell of a lot brighter then normal incandesant light bulbs, they may take a second the light up (not instandly because they have a chip in them) and they are expected to last for 10-15 years.

They can be easily recyled and the mercury disposed off or reused, anyone who is against this because of scare mongering well....i'm simply amazed anyone can be against it.

[CptMcArthur]

In Australia you can get these lightbulbs (the mercury spiral ones) for free because the company makes money selling the carbon credits, they are a hell of a lot brighter then normal incandesant light bulbs, they may take a second the light up (not instandly because they have a chip in them) and they are expected to last for 10-15 years.

They can be easily recyled and the mercury disposed off or reused, anyone who is against this because of scare mongering well....i'm simply amazed anyone can be against it.

High Five Brother! (Kiwi here)

Personally, I hate the way you American's act about the enviroment. Sure, throw a piece of paper in the bin. Might not seem like much.

I will put it this way. None of you seem to be very smart. You spend too much time worrying about the amount of cash in your wallet you forget to think ahead. How are you going to make money when the rest of the world has moved on to Envrio-Friendly and therefore away from the US? What happens when the sea level rises and chokes off coastal cities of the States? What happens when millions of people are displaced in your own country? What happens when the degarding enviroment causes a hurricane to devestate a far away country? Well, think about it. Who pays for the foreign aid your country sends away? You. Who takes the fall when people begin to move away from the USA and it's dirty population. You.

Wake up people. You WILL lose money if you keep on going the way you are, I assure you.

If I keep on reading all this "Screw the enviroment" business then I'll bring out the personal arguments, hopefully Melidan remembers the way I put it last time.

To clarify, I don't find what Corp's doing all that bad with his element collection. As long as you don't go dipping birds in any toxic/radioactive elements then thats cool. You have a science collection, fine, just don't go abusing that stuff.

[Aussie Avenger]

Although countries can't be as 'green' as some of the more extreme 'greenies' would like, protected the environment you live in should be a top priority, business should be allowed to flourish, but so should nature, so a balance must be found between the two.

[The Corporal]

To clarify, I don't find what Corp's doing all that bad with his element collection. As long as you don't go dipping birds in any toxic/radioactive elements then thats cool. You have a science collection, fine, just don't go abusing that stuff.

I saw Theodore Gray's periodic table table in Popular Science a year or two ago and though that just buying jars of elements from United Nuclear Scientific Supplies would be an easier way to go until I had some more permanent housing. I don't just stock the poisonous/highly reactive things, I also have tungsten, tin, titanium, iron, silicon, zinc, copper, aluminum, gadolinium, silver, gallium, calcium, sulfur, antimony, coal, and a small collection of really neat minerals (a sheet of jade, selenite, stibnite, and a polished octahedron of fluorite). But the lead, thorium, uranium, and the others are the most interesting. ;) Once I get some nice cabinet space, then I can begin collecting radioactive ores - gummite, carnotite, pitchblende, torbernite, monazite....the list goes on.

Will I ever just shovel all of it up and dump it in the forest? Hell no. If, for whatever reason, I need to dispose of it I'll do it the right way.

[Aussie Avenger]

Your collection is hardly the issue here

[Assarax]

High Five Brother! (Kiwi here)

Personally, I hate the way you American's act about the enviroment. Sure, throw a piece of paper in the bin. Might not seem like much.

I will put it this way. None of you seem to be very smart. You spend too much time worrying about the amount of cash in your wallet you forget to think ahead. How are you going to make money when the rest of the world has moved on to Envrio-Friendly and therefore away from the US? What happens when the sea level rises and chokes off coastal cities of the States? What happens when millions of people are displaced in your own country? What happens when the degarding enviroment causes a hurricane to devestate a far away country? Well, think about it. Who pays for the foreign aid your country sends away? You. Who takes the fall when people begin to move away from the USA and it's dirty population. You.

Wake up people. You WILL lose money if you keep on going the way you are, I assure you.

If I keep on reading all this "Screw the enviroment" business then I'll bring out the personal arguments, hopefully Melidan remembers the way I put it last time.

To clarify, I don't find what Corp's doing all that bad with his element collection. As long as you don't go dipping birds in any toxic/radioactive elements then thats cool. You have a science collection, fine, just don't go abusing that stuff.

America = bad, Everywhere Else = good. Is that the argument I see here? Forgive me if I don't look 100 years into the future when I'll likely be dead and rotting somewhere, when I have a very big desire to eat sometime THIS month. Forgive me if the only car I can afford to drive is the 1996 gas-guzzling Buick my dad gave me when I turned 16. Forgive me if I have bigger things to worry about right now than how eco-friendly my light bulbs are.

Saving the environment is all well and good. I'm all for stopping pollution and finding alternative energy sources. I do believe that global warming is more than just a myth, and that steps need to be taken. But am I gonna pay more for a light bulb or some other trivial crap in my house when that money could go for more useful things like gas or food? Fuck no. To be honest, they're really not that much brighter. My friend has em in his basement, and the place is gloomy as hell.

They may be free in Australia, but NOTHING is free here in the US. So until they start giving me that shit for free, I'm gonna stick with what I have.

[Aussie Avenger]

They are only free in Australia because the company makes so much money selling the carbon credits, to buy them is very expensive, and if your funds are limited then they are a bit much.

[CptMcArthur]

Assarax, my argument is not so much that America = bad

My argument is that the United States is still one country which has yet to catch onto the bandwagon on clean and green. I would attack China as well, but we don't seem to have many Chinese people on these forums so I can argue in the direction of Americans.

I know what you mean, I have a Land Rover Discovery myself which chews through gas. However, there are little things you can do. To be honest, I think there's product variation between Southern Hemiphere Eco-Bulbs and the ones you got up there. The ones I have in my room at the moment are better quality that tungsten based, and although they are a bit more expensive, they last a hell of a lot longer so you don't have to buy tonnes of old bulbs (I kid you not, we haven't bought a light bulb in AGES, whereas we used to have to get a bunch every time we went to the supermarker)

It's the same with recycling. Just throw some stuff in a seperate bin for recycling, then once in a while dispose of it properly while you are out doing other jobs or whatever. It's not a massive struggle, just small things which you'll appreciate in 20 years time.

[Aussie Avenger]

I'm amazed that each household doesn't have a reclycling bin along with your garbage bin like we do in Australia, i mean you can even go and purchase a green waste bin in some Shires, but they aren't free like Garbage/Recyling.

[Tox]

Strange Americans wont use them but the EU is banning the old type.
Wait thats not strange at all Americans don't give a shit.

There perfect, cept it take like a second between turning the switch and them turning on.
Like the Irish government has been using the in government offices for 2 years now.
In fact my entire house uses them.

[Assarax]

We have recycling, but my county doesn't recycle everything... such as cardboard. Kinda pissed me off when I moved here.

[Pimptastic]

This has sparked a whole debate on being green yet you dont understand that the world will only be green as a result of someone getting rich, money is the ultimate incentive, if a company can take more of your 'green' to be 'green' then global pollution is solved.

Currently the worlds oil prices have gone up, why? Well oil isnt any harder to pump than a few days ago but if the stupid people of the world are gullible enough to pay double and be 'green' then why not let the pay more?

Why is america the least green country? Well with 90% of the worlds oil produced being american owned they have a great deal less to worry about anytime soon is best to let the others invest in research and then simply take the end products and mass produce it minus the cost to research it.

Some people have so little knowledge of how and why the world spins the way it does.

[Aussie Avenger]

Oil prices are so high because the American dollar is devalued so much, if it were stronger, or if oil prices were determined by the Euro, Pound or the Yen then prices would be less turbulent and lower.

[IronsightSniper]

Oil prices are so high because the American dollar is devalued so much, if it were stronger, or if oil prices were determined by the Euro, Pound or the Yen then prices would be less turbulent and lower.

Wrong!
The Irish government recently rejected the EU's (something, forgot what it was) but it resulted in the Dollar getting a bit stronger.

[IronsightSniper]

I'm amazed that each household doesn't have a reclycling bin along with your garbage bin like we do in Australia, i mean you can even go and purchase a green waste bin in some Shires, but they aren't free like Garbage/Recyling.

Um, actually here in Sacramento, the City gave me and all my neighbors a Blue Recycling bin...sooo

Edit
Whoops double post lol.

[Villalba]

High Five Brother! (Kiwi here)

Personally, I hate the way you American's act about the enviroment. Sure, throw a piece of paper in the bin. Might not seem like much.

I will put it this way. None of you seem to be very smart. You spend too much time worrying about the amount of cash in your wallet you forget to think ahead. How are you going to make money when the rest of the world has moved on to Envrio-Friendly and therefore away from the US? What happens when the sea level rises and chokes off coastal cities of the States? What happens when millions of people are displaced in your own country? What happens when the degarding enviroment causes a hurricane to devestate a far away country? Well, think about it. Who pays for the foreign aid your country sends away? You. Who takes the fall when people begin to move away from the USA and it's dirty population. You.

Wake up people. You WILL lose money if you keep on going the way you are, I assure you.

If I keep on reading all this "Screw the enviroment" business then I'll bring out the personal arguments, hopefully Melidan remembers the way I put it last time.

To clarify, I don't find what Corp's doing all that bad with his element collection. As long as you don't go dipping birds in any toxic/radioactive elements then thats cool. You have a science collection, fine, just don't go abusing that stuff.

You are absolutely right, and i won't argue with that. The Nation has to become more enviromentally mindfull, because the whole world is becoming more enviromentally mindfull, and the US is being left behind. Just right here in Caracas, we are begining to move away from the oil industry, and im sorry to say that we are responsible for the rise in fuel and food prices, but in the long run this is going to help, because there is no better teacher than fear. And now the world lives in perpetual fear. And we are moving away from oil, because of your American actions in Iraq, and soon to be in Iran if someone is not capable of stopping the american superpower.

This is nature in the happening.

[Zagato]

The United States has led the world in mass market, consumerism, and somewhat standards of living. Has shown the world what can be done with resources and population. Vast resourceful and densely populated nations like China and India for example, have seen over time what happened in the USA and now wants a piece of the action. I think now, it's time for the United States to lead the world in going green. You guys are at the top, others are beginning to reach the peak as well, it's time you show us where to go from there. :)

[Aussie Avenger]

Except that the American economy is not what it once was and is heavily in dept, i mean China buys 1 billions dollars of America's dept every 24 hours, probably the biggest reason the American economy isn't in a recession yet.

[Villalba]

Fact is, is that so far the economy under this last 16 years, have benefited the rich and the wealthy, and as i saw, is that they figured out places like China and India have lower wages, and no workers union, frankly China and India are Compulsory Consumerist States. So corporate America will shut down jobs in the US & A, and start to make jobs in those Nations. Leaving the middle class shrunked down into poverty, so that really is the main issue in the economy.

As for the enviroment, China itself might be the first polluter, but guess what, The United States still polutes more than China, why because if you take Chinese population per Capita, China has more than 3.5 billion people right? Well as a matter of fact more than half of them are farmers in the Western area, where the urbanization is really taking place is in the East, not the West. The Eastern part of China is where the jewel of Oriental civilization is, Honk Kong. Honk Kong itself is a powerhouse of an economy, modernize and Westernize. Such will attract foreign imports, so China is not polluting itself, the one that is really polluting is Honk Kong, because Honk Kong is the jewel of modernization. A great deal of Chinese population is concentrated on the Western part, which is also the smallest land area. While the largest land area is dominated by farming communities that are getting squished by the urbanization of new China.

How does this fall for polution, China might pollute more per capita, but that is because of the allocation of his population. While the US&A pollutes more because of the fact that everywhere where there is more than 15000 people there is pollution.

[Zagato]

Well then, it's now up to Canada to lead the world in going green! ;D

[Aussie Avenger]

Fact is, is that so far the economy under this last 16 years, have benefited the rich and the wealthy, and as i saw, is that they figured out places like China and India have lower wages, and no workers union, frankly China and India are Compulsory Consumerist States. So corporate America will shut down jobs in the US & A, and start to make jobs in those Nations. Leaving the middle class shrunked down into poverty, so that really is the main issue in the economy.

As for the enviroment, China itself might be the first polluter, but guess what, The United States still polutes more than China, why because if you take Chinese population per Capita, China has more than 3.5 billion people right? Well as a matter of fact more than half of them are farmers in the Western area, where the urbanization is really taking place is in the East, not the West. The Eastern part of China is where the jewel of Oriental civilization is, Honk Kong. Honk Kong itself is a powerhouse of an economy, modernize and Westernize. Such will attract foreign imports, so China is not polluting itself, the one that is really polluting is Honk Kong, because Honk Kong is the jewel of modernization. A great deal of Chinese population is concentrated on the Western part, which is also the smallest land area. While the largest land area is dominated by farming communities that are getting squished by the urbanization of new China.

How does this fall for polution, China might pollute more per capita, but that is because of the allocation of his population. While the US&A pollutes more because of the fact that everywhere where there is more than 15000 people there is pollution.

First off, China is increasing thier outputs at vast rates, America not so much.
Second, its Hong Kong, and Hong Kong was part of the British Empire untill 1998, when Great Britain stupidly gave it back to the Chinese.
Thirdly, The Western part of China is a vast farmland where the people use their own feaces as fertilizer (look up "night soil") and the rest is desert.

[Sinatra]

Those light bulbs suck pretty bad.

LANTERNS WILL SAVE US ALLL!!!!

[Aussie Avenger]

Maybe where you are from, but the ones we have in Aus are brighter and last 10 to 15 years

[Knave of Hearts]

I have been using them for ages and I have yet to have a problem with them

Hong Kong was part of the British Empire untill 1998, when Great Britain stupidly gave it back to the Chinese
and the brits were just for what of a better word renting it from the Chinese and it still run very close to the way it was run under the brits