Who are you voting for in the 08 election?

[JustinG]

Just curious, as I am still unsure :/

[Imperial]

I'm not voting for McCain...He is Bush for 4 more years, and the whole 100 years in Iraq thing, I don't agree with.

[darkdemon1]

ionno
i just might wanna waste my vote on a independent if things continue on this road

[AzureShadow]

If I were old enough to vote, I would vote for Obama. But I'll only be 17 at the time of the election... :icon_sad1:

[mhawk]

Not a demoscat, thats for sure.

[JustinG]

Honestly I would vote for Ron Paul if he had more support and an actual chance at winning. I am a communist but elections in America are always picking the lesser of two evils. I guess Obama is the only one I can really see myself voting for..

Cliton is lame, McCain is a crazy vet. :/

[Melidan]

Not a demoscat, thats for sure.

This^

I was all for Romney.. but.. heh. John McCain is a RINO.

* Melidan thinks this election cycle is a lost cause.

[Woody]

Well, its either vote for John McCain(since he is without a doubt the Republican nominee) or accept that either Clinton or Obama(i.e. The Devil's Wife and bastard child) taking office. Which is unacceptable. Whatever we(The Republican Party) do, it has to be done around one candidate and not spliting the party like the Dems are.

[Melidan]

Well, its either vote for John McCain(since he is without a doubt the Republican nominee) or accept that either Clinton or Obama(i.e. The Devil's Wife and bastard child) taking office. Which is unacceptable. Whatever we(The Republican Party) do, it has to be done around one candidate and not spliting the party like the Dems are.

I'm assuming your going to vote for McCain. Unless he builds some bridges fast with conservatives, I think i'm gonna be staying home.

[Imperial]

I'm assuming your going to vote for McCain. Unless he builds some bridges fast with conservatives, I think i'm gonna be staying home.

At least go out and vote for your Representatives in the House!

[Melidan]

At least go out and vote for your Representatives in the House!

Ahhh.. your right. That will be especially needed this time around.

[The Corporal]

I heard some people at work today talking about how if Obama is elected, Blagojevich might want to nominate himself to take Obama's Senate seat (and how that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing :) ). If I intended to live in Illinois long-term, I'd almost want to see Obama get elected just for that. But as it stands, I think I'm going to write-in vote for not-McCain. I will work hard at voting for a governor in Wisconsin that won't veto the concealed-carry bill (again) though.

[wesley]

Ron Paul. The other three front-runners (hilarity, osama, and mccain) are all horrible choices for one reason and another. They are all left-wing. They all want amnesty for criminal invaders. The two dems want national healthcare funded by the taxpayers and regulated by the inept federal government. The all three want to continue the war that is going nowhere. And McCain is a neocon Trotskyite that is almost no different from the one in office now. They all want to take away our freedoms under the guise of national security, and I fear for our first and second amendment rights under any of the three.

[King Seifer Almasy]

I'm not voting due to the fact that none of the candidates have grabbed my attention

[Ayrrie]

Not a demoscat, thats for sure.
This.

I'll make up my mind about who closer to the election...No one stands out to me as particularly good, but there are plenty who stand out as particularly bad.

[Great Lakes Union]

Obama or staying home :)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9779/hillarysbukkitls1.jpg

[Aporime]

I haven't decided as of yet. Candidates repeating the same generic talking points over and over seems get in the way of any real discussion of issues. I'm sure all of that stuff makes great sound bites for the 6 o'clock news, but it clearly doesn't go deep enough.

[Arcadian Empire]

I was scanning in a bookshop and I found a most hilarious book entitled:

Where's Obama?

Lol!

I'd vote for him if I was in the USA. Hillary Clinton's fat. Gotta love that book, so much great publicity!

[KanaX]

Well I'm gonna vote the Svenska Folkpartiet.
Oh, sorry! I thought this thread was for the Municipial Elections of '08 in Finland.

[Melidan]

Well I'm gonna vote the Svenska Folkpartiet.
Oh, sorry! I thought this thread was for the Municipial Elections of '08 in Finland.

I think you should vote for Conan O'Brien!

[Melidan]

Obama or staying home :)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9779/hillarysbukkitls1.jpg

http://www.nobama.com/site%205%20cart_files/image005.jpg


;)

[delgursh]

I'm voting Obama....wasnt hard of a choice at all for me.

[Sandrock149]

Obama

[SIWELCELA]

Honestly I would vote for Ron Paul if he had more support and an actual chance at winning. I am a communist but elections in America are always picking the lesser of two evils. I guess Obama is the only one I can really see myself voting for..

Cliton is lame, McCain is a crazy vet. :/


THis is exactly how i feel we ned to get him more support

[Assarax]

Obama. I'm from Illinois, I think Hillary's a bitch and no one wants to hear my opinion of the Republican party, as it involves a lot of cursing.

[Sandrock149]

lol if ralph nadar was running i'll vote for him! yay environment!! lol

[JustinG]

Obama. I'm from Illinois, I think Hillary's a bitch and no one wants to hear my opinion of the Republican party, as it involves a lot of cursing.

Sounds like me :director:

[darkdemon1]

Sounds like me :director:

That's because you're a commie :P

Clinton's getting desperate IMO.
She accused Obama of plagiarizing a couple of days ago...
Come on! She's lame and all but she has to try a bit harder than that....

[Melidan]

lol if ralph nadar was running i'll vote for him! yay environment!! lol

This is relevant to your interests...

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/24/nader-says-he-will-run-for-president/

[JustinG]

That's because you're a commie :P

Clinton's getting desperate IMO.
She accused Obama of plagiarizing a couple of days ago...
Come on! She's lame and all but she has to try a bit harder than that....

She is lame, and that was in Texas where I currently live at. Honestly people are predicting she is dropping out soon. Obama will get the nomination and it will probably be McCain, and Obama. :nanahump:

[Woody]

Ralph Nader...what a joke.

[Melidan]

Ralph Nader...what a joke.

If he's taking votes away from a Democrat, i'm happy.

[wain]

No matter what, a democrat will be in the whitehouse, whether it's Obama, Hillary, or McCain. Yes, McCain is a democrat running on the Republican ticket. He is the furthest thing from a conservative, as he shares very little of the conservative views. All I know is, I will not be voting for Billary.

[Melidan]

Yes, McCain is a democrat running on the Republican ticket. He is the furthest thing from a conservative,


QFT

[Great Lakes Union]

No matter what, a democrat will be in the whitehouse, whether it's Obama, Hillary, or McCain. Yes, McCain is a democrat running on the Republican ticket. He is the furthest thing from a conservative, as he shares very little of the conservative views. All I know is, I will not be voting for Billary.

Its funny, Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives ARE coming together; in their mutual dislike of Hillary. :icon_smile:

[Melidan]

Its funny, Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives ARE coming together; in their mutual dislike of Hillary. :icon_smile:

lol true. This is a great thing... I'm glad the country is finally waking up to see what shamless political hacks the Clintons really are. They will do and say anything to hold onto their power.

[Iron Wolf]

I normally have a knee-jerk reaction against the Republican party, but this time out in national US politics I'm going to be making an exception. I can honestly say that I distrust all the Democrats more than I do any of the Republicans.

I really can't say that I like or expect good things out of ANY of the current batch of hopefulls. But, so far it's looking like any Republican will be a better bet than any of the Democrats.

[The Corporal]

All politicians are shysters, but the Democrats in Congress and such are much more apt to lie, insult others, and say the most curiously hypocritical things.

What would be cool is if we could add an amendment to the Constitution saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger can run for president. Then, after he wins, sales of "My President Can Beat Up Your President" t-shirts, hats, coffee mugs, and plush toys will skyrocket. Also, his first act after being sworn in would be to sign an executive order listing all of the girlie men on the planet.... :D

[Melidan]

All politicians are shysters, but the Democrats in Congress and such are much more apt to lie, insult others, and say the most curiously hypocritical things.

What would be cool is if we could add an amendment to the Constitution saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger can run for president. Then, after he wins, sales of "My President Can Beat Up Your President" t-shirts, hats, coffee mugs, and plush toys will skyrocket. Also, his first act after being sworn in would be to sign an executive order listing all of the girlie men on the planet.... :D

I lmao'd when he said that girlie men thing.

[tom the pit leader]

I heard some people at work today talking about how if Obama is elected, Blagojevich might want to nominate himself to take Obama's Senate seat (and how that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing :) ). If I intended to live in Illinois long-term, I'd almost want to see Obama get elected just for that. But as it stands, I think I'm going to write-in vote for not-McCain. I will work hard at voting for a governor in Wisconsin that won't veto the concealed-carry bill (again) though.

Not in a million years would we let Blagojevich into the senet. He has crippled our budget and made a mockery of IL state govenment, I know I live there. He's a nut, and will more than likely go to jail by the end of his term, no joke. That being said, I want Obama to win, but can't vote because of the age limit. However, IMO, Obama/McCain is what the US really needs, a new face in charge but with experince at hand.

[KanaX]

I think you need at least one more big party in the US, the two-party system is dull in my opinion. Especially since (in my European point of view) the two parties are not that different from each other.

[Melidan]

I think you need at least one more big party in the US, the two-party system is dull in my opinion. Especially since (in my European point of view) the two parties are not that different from each other.

I somewhat agree... the line between Democrats and Republicans has blurred.. especially in regards to spending.

[Iron Wolf]

Some few years ago, I remember someone with a little bit of a reputation (an independant making a run at the Presidency if I remember somewhat rightly, back in the early/mid 1990's) that the only difference between Republicans and Democrats nowadays is how fast their knees hit the floor when begging for money.

[wain]

Doesn't matter who we vote for, a Democrat will be in office: Obama, Hillary, McCain.

[The Corporal]

Isn't that the truth... :(

[wain]

Isn't that the truth... :(

So much so that I said it twice! (I already said that earlier in this thread, but I didn't remember that until after I already posted again.) XD

[Sandrock149]

Ralph Nadar run's because there is basically no interest in the environment well not to say none but it is not one of the biggest issues on the board right now. he runs because it is not for running to win but to run to make how to protect, or keep the environment safe as one of the major topics in discussion at debates and etc.... With this declaration Ralph Nadar's objectives will be heard and with this the Democratic and Republican party must retaliate or confront the environment issue that is brought up by Nadar. That is one of the only reason he runs.

[Jan Liqua]

By my count I've done...54 hours of volunteering for the Obama campaign, in the areas of letter writing, data entry, and increasingly as sort of media strategist for the local office. This would probably lead you to assume that I've got a huge spiel about why I support Obama, and you're right. I won't give it here, considering several of you consider McCain a RINO and the rest of you don't give a shit or already support him.

I do agree that our two party system is deeply flawed, especially since the parties have swapped on many fronts or just deviated. Bush just submitted by far the largest budget in history, including the highest military spending since WWII (which is odd, given that Iraq in many regards is way less complicated than Korea or Vietnam), and the Democratic Congress seems to not want to stand up for civil liberties (Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, flag burning, violent video games, and now torture are things they've caved on or likely will). The Blue Dog Democrats are more conservative than the liberal Republicans, yadda yadda. It seems like we should have a economically liberal/socially liberal party in the vein of the Liberal Democrats in Britain, a Centrist party like in Scandanavia, a Left party for the more radical elements of the Democratic party, and a Christian Democratic party that's waaaay more Christian and conservative than in Europe.

Germany's a quarter of the size and has five major parties. Why can't we have that kind of choice.

[pikajew]

To answer the original question, I would vote for McCain, depending on who his running mate is. I do not want Hucklebee to get in, because if McCain dies in office, which there is a chance, then him, and his southern baptist views will be incorporated in the White House.

[Jan Liqua]

I think it's scary that both McCain and Romney changed their positions so much. McCain was a moderate maverick, now he's a triumph of conservatism? And Romney bragging about his NRA membership he got two months ago just before he declared. I sure hope Mitt doesn't get the VP.

People keep talking up Obama/Webb or Obama/Sebelius, both of which I like alot.

[The Corporal]

I think it's scary that both McCain and Romney changed their positions so much. McCain was a moderate maverick, now he's a triumph of conservatism? And Romney bragging about his NRA membership he got two months ago just before he declared. I sure hope Mitt doesn't get the VP.

People keep talking up Obama/Webb or Obama/Sebelius, both of which I like alot.

McCain was never, is not, nor ever will be seriously considered a truly conservative politician. Look no further than his voting record. The thing to remember is that there is a fairly big difference in the way politicians go about securing their party's nomination and the actual election. When trying to get the nomination, candidates actually have to appeal to the more extreme members of their party, but in the general election they hvae to appeal to the moderate undecided voters. After the convention when McCain gets his official nomination, watch for him to ease off on the conservative rhetoric a bit.

I'd go for Mitt as VP just so we can at least say there is a Republican in what would be called a Republican administration on paper...

[Melidan]

To answer the original question, I would vote for McCain, depending on who his running mate is. I do not want Hucklebee to get in, because if McCain dies in office, which there is a chance, then him, and his southern baptist views will be incorporated in the White House.

Doesn't matter.. The Democrats still control the Congress. The President isn't King and can't push through anything he wants.

[Imperial]

I'm voting for a Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

I am a Republican, but McCain, no. Never, no, nada, no way, go back to Arizona. 100 years in Iraq? No. Preemptive strike on Iran? Maybe. War hawk 24/7? No.

And the fact that he couldn't keep his eyes on the camera during tonight's 60 Minutes interview. Not a good sign when he's looking down.

[Melidan]

I'm voting for a Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

I am a Republican, but McCain, no. Never, no, nada, no way, go back to Arizona. 100 years in Iraq? No. Preemptive strike on Iran? Maybe. War hawk 24/7? No.

And the fact that he couldn't keep his eyes on the camera during tonight's 60 Minutes interview. Not a good sign when he's looking down.

I hear ya Imperial, but friends dont let friends vote Democrat! :P

[wesley]

Doesn't matter.. The Democrats still control the Congress. The President isn't King and can't push through anything he wants.emphasis added

The Dems sure are trying to claim that isn't the case with the current administration right now. Apparently, even thought the Dems control congress and vote on everything that Bush can do (for the most part), it still isn't any of their fault for the way things have been going...

[Melidan]

emphasis added

The Dems sure are trying to claim that isn't the case with the current administration right now. Apparently, even thought the Dems control congress and vote on everything that Bush can do (for the most part), it still isn't any of their fault for the way things have been going...

QFT

[The Corporal]

I find it absolutely delicious that the Dems promised everyone they would make some real changes if they were elected to both Houses of Congress, and look what's happened? Jack s***. Which makes Obama's claims of "yippee! change" even funnier.

[Jan Liqua]

I find it absolutely delicious that the Dems promised everyone they would make some real changes if they were elected to both Houses of Congress, and look what's happened? Jack s***. Which makes Obama's claims of "yippee! change" even funnier.

It's what happens when you don't have coalition governments, parliamentary democracy, and a very strong majority. The Democrats 'control' congress, but since they don't have a supermajority in the Senate it really doesn't mean all that much. Bush's veto makes political progress grind to a halt.

Most analysts predicated that the best the Democrats could do in the two years was nothing. Granted, they've caved on illegal wiretaps and Iraq funding, but in return they tore the Justice Department a new one and generally have trotted out Bush appointees to show how radically unqualified they were. So really it's balanced out to not that much. And I don't particularly care. The administration has little to recommend itself, so a Constitutional deadlock was inevitable.
=

With a new president we'll see if bipartisanship can really work (the SCHIP bill v.2 was a very generous compromise that gave the Republicans much of what they wanted, but was still vetoed over 'spending' nonsense), so hopefully either a Democrat or a Republican will help facilitate some kind of progress in our disasters regarding infrastructure, unemployment, Medicare Plan D's atrocities, our failing economy, etc.

[Villalba]

Obama...he is the only one i can see to actually win. [And do something about it]
Clinton she is okay. But there were many wrong things with the previous administration, and for me their time has come to an end.

I think Bill Clinton has done more harm than good to her campaign.

[Lord of Destruction]

While Bill was a good president, I do not believe Hillary would be.


Therefore, Obama.


I find it absolutely delicious that the Dems promised everyone they would make some real changes if they were elected to both Houses of Congress, and look what's happened? Jack s***. Which makes Obama's claims of "yippee! change" even funnier.


It doesn't quite help when the president is an ignorant jackass that vetos every good law that will be passed.

[Hubb]

I hear ya Imperial, but friends dont let friends vote Democrat! :P

Damn right.

Also:

It doesn't quite help when the president is an ignorant jackass that vetos every good law that will be passed.

If you are talking about Bush, then your statement is false. Bush has vetoed nine bills to date. Clinton vetoed 37.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

[Lord of Destruction]

First: Wikipedia is not what you should use as it can be changed at any time


Second: Are you supporting Bush?


Third: He vetoed a law that would help sick children. I'd call that a good law, and a bad decision.

[Imperial]

First: Wikipedia is not what you should use as it can be changed at any time


Second: Are you supporting Bush?


Third: He vetoed a law that would help sick children. I'd call that a good law, and a bad decision.

First: Bush actually did have one of the lowest veto records of any President, he's only just begun vetoing. But also his party had the Congress for 6 years...

Second: Don't support Bush.

Third: Yes, he is a twat.

[Hubb]

First: Wikipedia is not what you should use as it can be changed at any time


Second: Are you supporting Bush?


Third: He vetoed a law that would help sick children. I'd call that a good law, and a bad decision.

First: Okay, how about this site?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html

It's from the Office of the Clerk.

Second: I don't recall saying I supported Bush. He's not a true Conservative. He's made that fact well-known in his second term.

Third: SChip is a good program. The bill the Dems tried to push through was ridiculous:

"All three network newscasts ran brief reports on the House vote. ABC World News reported Bush vetoed the bill "because he said it was being expanded to cover children who aren't really disadvantaged. And he said it would cause too many middle class families to turn away from private health insurance in favor of the government's plan." The CBS Evening News said, "Six million poor children receive health insurance under" SCHIP. The vetoed bill "would have added four million more, including some from middle-income families." NBC Nightly News noted "the bill had bipartisan support."

That's from http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_071019.htm

Big Government = Bad.

Middle class families don't need SChip insurance. They can pay for it. Hell, I pay for it. Plenty.

[Melidan]

lol... Conservatives hate sick children! They eat the souls of lost orphans and also aim for puppies with their giant suv's.

[Villalba]

Bush...well i admire him as a human being. But i dislike him as a politician. I don't know much about that Bill. But if someone where to veto a bill like that, is for many reasons. Perhaps we cannot afford that Bill...Maybe because of the economy.

[SeasonsOfLove]

I'm a self-proclaimed liberal

Obama is an idiot. "Change, change, change" with no substance isn't a good platform.

Clinton is not her husband, and I don't like her, but she's better than Obama. Barely. She at least has substantive platforms, and foreign policy that doesn't suck.

Both Democrats are totally wrong in Iraq, and somewhat wrong with their foreign policy. Joe Biden was right, they are not. John McCain is better than them in foreign policy, where I feel the President always is more powerful.

They all suck. Joe Biden for President, 2012, after McCain wins?

[Ceres]

why do you all make me lose faith in humanity?
O WAIT THE CANDIDATES DO THAT TOO!

Harry Browne, way to die with along with all sanity

[Scouser]

Obama or McCain. I'm loving Obama and I think he can give us a new world image, plus he seems like a calm cool individual who believes in what he does. McCain is killing me right now, I love the guy, but he's veered of his straight talk express ways. He's moved off his independent ways too now, he's become a complete Republican. I've stopped liking him because of that, but I think he's only doing it to get elected and afterwards he will return to his old independent self.

For the record, I'm a moderate independent. Party politics blow.

[Zyvexal]

McCain all the way